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This isn't to say there aren't some Turks who aren't like that, and are exactly what Lady Heron claims they're all like. As I've said all along, on this and several other threads, "it don't take all kinds, we just got all kinds."

There's a difference. Nutcase Christians who commit violence against innocents in the name of Jesus are very few, and are marginalized and happily locked up or executed.

Muslims who do the same are largely protected by their governments and celebrated as folk heroes.

The difference is in the scriptures of the two faiths. If you follow the Word of Jesus, you end up loving God and loving man to the point of sacrifice.

If you do the same with the Koran, you end up flying planes into buildings.

Again, don't assume your audiance here is ignorant. We know what the Koran says. We are basically asking the entire Muslim world to be like the Turks, who are really lousy Muslims (Thank G-d). 'Prophet of Doom' has simply taken the Koran and told the same story in historical context. Mohammed did more than just commit pedophilia. It is basically an Amway style death cult, whose goal is plunder, conversion by force, and control of the population through intimidation. The Taliban were pretty good at it. So is the Iranian regime.

Turkey is a terrible example of what Islam can be. They are completely backslidden. So are the fine immigrant Muslims who live here in the US who simply want to be a part of America. They are shameful in their practice of Mohammed's example.

What they need is a revelation of Jesus, not weak excuses from guys like you. You're not doing them any favors.

There is a difference between general ignorance, ignorance of certain facts, and stupidity. I'm seeing quite a lot of all three, but all I can do anything about is the middle one. I'm trying to help some folks see the few facts they missed, and are therefore ignorant of. Anyone who wants to take it as a general condemnation of their intelligence is welcome to do so, if they so choose.

You seem to have missed Torquemada, the Nazis, the Albigensian campaigns in France, both the Reformation and Counter-Reformation, the 30 Years War, both the Puritans and Pilgrims, and quite a few others. It has been only in the few years after His crucifixion, and rather recently that most Christians have spent more time trying to be Christ-like and less time trying to insure their neighbors were toeing the line. There are still a whole lot of them, including some members of my church, who are in that mode. Which is kind of silly of them, as the reason my church is based in Utah is because of others who can't seem to remember Christ's message. If more people worried about the beam in their own eye, they'd be less inclined to point out the mote in others eyes.

In case you hadn't noticed, Gaza and the West Bank are in Palestine. I'm going to say this one more time, and a little more explicitly: There are Muslims who are more Christ-like than many so-called Christians, and there are so-called Christians who are more Satan-like than the worst of the Muslims. There are also quite a few Christians whom I'm sure Jesus is quite happy with, including those who got killed this past week, who were Baptists. Condemning all of ANY people because of the actions of a few is sheer stupidity. It is equally stupid to think that all of any people are good because a few are, but I've met quite a few Muslims, so I think I have seen a fairly good sample. The Muslims have heard of Jesus, btw, they just don't think he's the Son of God. They call him Issa, usually, and consider him one of the old-time prophets. They think his message was ignored and lost by the Jews, and misconstrued by his followers who became the Christians.

I still say the Turks are good examples of Muslims. They focus on the parts of the Koran that apply to now, and not to the early days on the Arabian Penninsula, unlike some people.

And as far as my being a good student or not, I don't have to be a good student to know a hatchet job when I see one. Let's see, here, What Would Jesus Do? Teach, or just complain about the beliefs of others?