Posted on 03/14/2004 1:40:08 PM PST by Destro
Source: AFP
Socialists claim Spanish victory
March 15, 2004
SPAIN'S opposition Socialist Party today claimed victory in the nation's general election and said it was in a position to form a government.
An official count of 77 per cent of the ballots showed the opposition Socialists (PSOE) with a clear lead.
The ruling Popular Party (PP) had 37.1 per cent of the vote and the Socialists 43.1 per cent, the interior ministry said.
The turnout stood at 77 per cent.
They opposed joining the "coalition of the willing" in the first place. Their opinion; everyone is entitled to their own.
The Conservatives supported the US in the United Nations on the beleif that Iraq had WMD and was in violation of UN resolutions. IIRC, Aznar survived a vote of no-confidnece, strictly on party lines on this issue.
Al-Queida warned America's allies that it would strike against them if they stood by her.
No WMD were found in Iraq.
Al-Quaida struck at the Spanairds, killing 200 of them and injuring 1,500.
American could not and did not protect Spani from Al-Queida.
The Spanish government falls. Al-Queda wins one, gets on the score board big time.
Of course they are jubilant! The democrats are Socialists, they just haven't the guts to call themselves that--- yet. God help them.
Since I posted to you originally, I've had a double dose of ABC News (radio and TV). I can tell they're spinning furiously, as their TV show disclosed by casually introducing us to someone they've probably been looking for, for weeks -- someone who lost a son in Iraq and has turned bitter against the Bush Administration (but then, as Rush was remarking Friday, in comments rebroadcast Sunday, the 'Rats are canvassing for WTC survivors and widows who will denounce Bush over, e.g., the Bush campaign ads, and use Democratic "talking points" to do it). So ABC is playing at Tokyo Rose and Hanoi Hannah again.
But as some polling data quoted by someone who called Michael Savage's show on Friday* appear to demonstrate, the Aznar government in Madrid was four points ahead as of the previous weekend, and such strength as the socialists had was flowing from the usual "Euro-crapweasel" Left sentiments of numbers of Spaniards. ABC argued, and produced a standup interview or two to maintain (but remember their treacherousness) that the difference was a large uptick in young, apathetic voters who customarily lean left but than don't vote. (Sounds like our 'Rat friends. Young and empty, devoid of responsibility and deficient in practical knowledge and wisdom, they're easy to engage with tony rhetoric about saving the world/spotted birds/trees/oxygen/life, but very hard to get to the polls to vote their buncombe.
Later analysis, then, is that you were probably right and I was overoptimistic.
Now let's hope I've merely been poisoned by ABC.
*Rush and "Savage Nation" Friday shows are rebroadcast on Sundays locally. I heard these programs while driving around Sunday.
Are you referring to Oswald Spengler's Decline of the West? He wrote Decline in 1922 as a sort of Guide Michelin to the post-Great War reader who was wondering what would become of European civilization and where he was in its life cycle.
From an epitome of Spengler's work, I quote an online source herewith:
Spengler views cultures as "organic" by which he means that the follow a life pattern, one he names by analogy to seasons. The spring of a culture is the time of the origin of its basic principles, the time of the birth of the religion of that culture. He believes that all great cultures have behind them a great religion. A culture acting "in form" (a comparison to athletes who are at the peak of their form) is in its summer, when all aspects can be seen as working under the principles at the basis of the culture, and when great accomplishments are made--the artifacts of lasting value. Our culture, as compared to other cultures, is one of directedness and will; Spengler refers to it as Faustian. We see our religion as requiring us to convert others. Our art has a perspective, a point of view and direction. Our music is directed toward a tonal center. Our science is about forces and changes. We apply it to change our world. Our mathematics goes beyond the static geometry of the Classical world to deal with the calculus of tendencies and averages. All cultures come to a Civilization phase, an autumn when this breaks down. Mega-cities are characteristic of this time. Politics is motivated by money, and move through Imperialism and the Period of Contending States to Caesarism, a period of despots. Science no longer reaches certainties. People no longer accept common principles or goals, they fight all rules from the past. The arts, rather than working in ways that seem obvious to the artists and the people, follow fashions with constant changes of style. Later in this culture after a period of atheism, people turn to a religious renewal based on the religion developed in the spring of the culture. Spengler sees our culture as having finished its summer in about 1800--1770 in literature and with Wagner in music. He views developments in all the arts as evidence of decadence. His advice to those living in the Civilization phase is to look for the direction of movement and contribute positively to it--the Civilization will move in the direction of its Destiny, regardless of our choices. We can choose to contribute or to have no impact. Spengler, in his Decline of the West, makes two central points relevant to our concerns: that histories of various cultures--his principal point of comparison is Classical (Greek)--can be shown to follow a similar pattern and that all aspects of a culture--art, politics, mathematics, science--have related underlying principles which differ from culture to culture. He reaches conclusions about the current position of Western culture (in the 1920s) and how one can best live within it......
Source (with hyperlinks): http://www.duke.edu/~aparks/Spengler.html
I am also Sick and Disgusted over this.
The Spanish people just Voted themselves straight into the Hands and Control of the ISLAMA-NAZI Machine in Europe.
GOD Help US...The USA not to do the Same thing in Nov.
BE STRONG AND OF GOOD COURAGE, FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AND KEEP THE FAITH!
Did they let New Yorkers and Massholes vote? Were Kerry and Hitlery on the Spanish ballot?
And they have been since the bombing. My initial reaction was similar to yours -- but as the hype grew, and there was so much insistence on the AQ involvement (as opposed to the usual denial from the left), my gut told me AQ, along with whatever other entity was involved, was about to get maximum political bang for the terrorist buck, to use a tasteless analogy.
Not good; not good at all -- and very unlike the typical Al Qaeda attack. Since when have they had the discipline to reign in their blind hatred to time an event so exquisitely? In spite of all the mathematical calisthenics performed by some, the truth is that all of the previous attacks were determined by opportunity and the potential for maximum mayhem, not targeted to influence specific political events.
And when have they made such torturous efforts to claim responsibility so quickly? It looks as if they had more than a little help from their friends. The only question is, which friends?
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