Socialists claim Spanish victory (America's allies lose)

theaustralian.news.com.au ^ | March 15, 2004 | AFP

[Destro]

Source: AFP

Socialists claim Spanish victory

March 15, 2004

SPAIN'S opposition Socialist Party today claimed victory in the nation's general election and said it was in a position to form a government.

An official count of 77 per cent of the ballots showed the opposition Socialists (PSOE) with a clear lead.

The ruling Popular Party (PP) had 37.1 per cent of the vote and the Socialists 43.1 per cent, the interior ministry said.

The turnout stood at 77 per cent.

[Destro]

Islam is big on numerology - remember Farakhan and his numerology laced speech during the so called million man march?

[empirekin768]

Islam is big on fiction more generally.

[lentulusgracchus]

Hold the phone, guys and girls.....

Post hoc ergo propter hoc is a classic fallacy; do we know that Aznar's government failed because of the bombing? How did his party and issues stand in the polls the week before the bombing? Were they up, or slipping and ready to lose it anyway? If the latter, what were the issues? Foreign policy, or economic policy?

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I realize that Al-Q'aeda can benefit from a perception that the Spanish folded, and perhaps the Al-Q'aeda attack (I'm pretty sure it was theirs) was timed to achieve an El Foldo, but let's not hurry to help Al-Q'aeda get credit, and any benefit from, something that perhaps they didn't really achieve.

After all, we know from our own history that domestic prosperity is a key determinant of election outcomes; and if people were browned at Aznar over immigration issues, then they'd have been a lot more peeved with him after the bombing, because the immigrants are -- guess who? -- mostly North African Arabs. Moors -- Moros! Big scare-word in Spanish history, going back to Tariq and Ben Yusuf.

Not something that would settle easily in the mind of someone who'd just seen a train station blown up by.......Moros.

As for Bin Squattin' getting al-Andalus back for the Islamofascists.......don't hold your breath. You'll see that one when pigs fly. The Spanish would die to the last man, before they turned over Iberia to the Islamists. You are talking about their national pride now, their manhood. And remember that machismo is a Spanish word. Those people will turn Spain into a nuclear-armed garrison state and go out and roll up North Africa like a doormat, before they surrender the Escorial and the great cathedrals of their country, and the memory of so many of their "most Catholic" kings. Even the Mexicans would go to war, rather than see Iberia fall to Islam.

My guess as to the reason for all this is that Bin Squattin' still wants his big religious war between Islam and the West, and if America won't bite, if America keeps her cool.......well, what about the Spaniards? "Hey, we just killed a whole bunch of your people......infidel pigs! What are you weak-loined unbelievers gonna do about it, huh? Look here, I got yer sister's virginity right here!" And so on.

[ffusco]

You are right about the Italian elections being "annual", but legislation has changed things somewhat. A few years ago Berlusconi would have already been ousted.

[FreedomCalls]

I have a feeling that Al Qaeda is planning a big one for the Athens Olympics this summer.

[MetalHeadConservative35]

"We shall fight with great confidence and great strength in the...welfare system???", Churchill.

confidence and great strength in the air,thats how he said it

[BikePacker]

I'm afraid that Western Culture has turned the corner.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least that we were on the cusp of a new paradigm - one where individual freedom becames an unknown concept once again.

[empirekin768]

Adept, if hilarious, take there...

[empirekin768]

It's charecteristic on the Western mind to think of itself in perpetual decline. History is a testament to quite a different dynamic however.

[kropcke]

i know, i know :)

from your name, I might be prone to believing you learned this quote from the intro to Aces High on Live After Death??? - AM I RIGHT??? (that's where I learned it ;)

That would be VERY cool - Iron Maiden lovin' Conservatives!!! - Wooo-Hooo!!!

[pau1f0rd]

Even if Blair loses (and I hope he does) the Conservatives will win. The British WOT will continue unabated for as long as it takes.

[sarasota]

Is it truly possible that these people can create mathematical formulae? Or is it a coincidence? That sounds like too much brainwork for such lowlifes.

[COEXERJ145]

Socialists claim Spanish victory (Bush allies lose)

Let me fix the title:

Socialists, Al Qaeda, and Osama claim Spanish Victory (Spanish People Cower in the Face of Islamic Terrorists)

[AlbionGirl]

After all, we know from our own history that domestic prosperity is a key determinant of election outcomes; and if people were browned at Aznar over immigration issues, then they'd have been a lot more peeved with him after the bombing, because the immigrants are -- guess who? -- mostly North African Arabs. Moors -- Moros! Big scare-word in Spanish history, going back to Tariq and Ben Yusuf.

I hope you're right and I'm dead wrong. And you're right to talk me down from the ledge too. I feel like Rava in that Seinfeld skit.

However, do you really think that the ruling party's loss is because of immigration? The talk coming from Spain before the onset of the Iraq war convinced me of no such thing.

Besides any extranneous (sp?) issues, the real issue, as far as I can tell is that they voted to increase the numbers and power of those who would pull Spain out of the Coaltion/alliance of the willing.

But again, here's hoping you're right and I'm wrong!

[BikePacker]

?It's charecteristic on the Western mind to think of itself in perpetual decline.

I hope you're right... but Europe is just about overrun.
And we aren't exactly protecting the ideology of our future populations.

[empirekin768]

Let's all keep in mind too that Zapatero is a moderate third-wayer and vocal admirer of Tony Blair, in a party still populated by large numbers of old-style socialists. He'll need the votes of the PP on more votes than one to implement his domestic policies. This will tend to exert influence over other areas too.

[CalKat]

95% of the Spanish people were against the war in Iraq. They were told it would make them safer, and apparently it hasn't. They want to try something else. So what?

Do you really think it would be wise to nuke Pakistan, one of our "strongest allies", and Afghanistan, which is now basking in the freedom we've given them?

[Thinkin' Gal]

I keep thinking... if Islam is a religion of peace, and we shouldn't judge by the actions of "a few fanatics", then how come Islam has been such a blight on civilization for 1300 years? I wonder if in every generation, the same song was repeated. "Oh, it's just a few fanatics, pay no attention to the peaceful men with the swords".

[empirekin768]

At any waypoint along the path of the Grand Narrative over the course of 2500 years, you find our most important thinkers bemoaning the death of virtue, the fall of the old pure ideals, and the imminent collapse of Western Civ. It still hasn't happened you will note.

[empirekin768]

"Do you really think it would be wise to nuke Pakistan, one of our "strongest allies", and Afghanistan, which is now basking in the freedom we've given them?"

You've a rather liberal notion of "freedom."