Posted on 03/12/2004 10:32:07 AM PST by doug from upland
Reporter Thomas Lipscomb wrote the story which is linked above in the NY SUN. It has the potential to end the Kerry presdential run.
I had a great conversation with Lipscomb a short while ago. This story was too hot for some of the majors. But Lipscomb assured me it is well-sourced and is dead on.
Two witnesses have placed John Kerry at a Kansas City meeting of the hierarchy of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War in November of 1971. At that meeting, they actually took a vote about assassinating United States senators. It was called "The Phoenix Project" and was the brainchild of Scott Camil. Kerry spokesman David Wade has denied Kerry was at the meeting.
The two witnesses who place Kerry at the meeting are Terry Du-Bose and Randy Barnes. What is very interesting is that Barnes is a big Kerry supporter and the head of Missouri Vets for Kerry. As a supporter, Barnes would certainly not make up a story that would hurt his candidate. He told Lipscomb of Kerry's attendance at the meeting.
Think of the implications. If the mainsteam media and major news networks do their homework, they may discover that a man who wants to be president was at a meeting discussing the possiblity of assassinating United States senators. That is a conspiracy. Instead of the White House, does John Forbes Kerry belong in the Big House?
Get on the phone to newsrooms and shame them into covering this story. A major mainsteam journalist returned by email in about a half hour after I sent him info. He finds it "interesting." Let's see if pursues it. He is notable enough, that if he does the story, all hell will break loose in the presidential campaign.
Note: Lipscomb is not a right-wing ideologue. He did a recent story defending Kerry over his medals. He also recently did a story in which he went after George Bush's National Guard service. He told me that he expected to find a drunken rich kid with coke up his nose. Instead, he discovered that Bush actually did more than make up the meetings he had missed and he honorably fulfilled his duty. And Terry McAuliffe knows it.
I RESEMBLE THAT!
I'm not sure what the statute of limitation would be on such a crime.
And if he did any of this while still on active duty, it would be a crime punishable under the UCMJ. The statute of limitations are likely expired on that offense, but not in civil court I would think.
BOMBING Begins In FIVE MINUTES!Win one for the Gipper !!
A very similar scenario was presented in last Sunday's "Cold Case" program on (blech) CBS. Did anyone else see it?
November 10, 1971: Kerry quits Vietnam Veterans Against the War.
Don't flame me.
I'm putting this up cause this is the date I'm sure Kerry will stick with as the Date he left.
For his part, Kerry eventually left the Vietnam Veterans Against the War in November 1971, after 10 months with the organization, increasingly worried it "was becoming too radical," Kerry biographer Douglas Brinkley wrote, noting that his letter of resignation cited "differences in political philosophy." Kerry went to law school and later embarked on a successful political career, becoming lieutenant governor of Massachusetts in 1982 and two years later a U.S. senator.
By SCOTT CANON The Kansas City Star Sat, Mar. 13, 2004
Kerry is a sumbitch. I wouldn't walk across the street to pi$$ on him if he was on fire.
I hate this kind of thinking (no offense).
I remember before Monica the focus on Clinton misdeeds was on fundraising, John Huang, the Riadys and so on. And I heard one reporter opine that if a president was found to be involved in activities such as were implied in that circumstance, it would be better that the country never know. I think it was George Will. The idea is that faith in our institutions or some such nonsense would be shaken. How about those of us with brains in our heads?! Seeing high level people get away with things because of who and what they are? That shakes my faith more.
In August 1971, a full investigation (by the FBI) of the VVAW was opened on the basis of reports that Communist youth groups were infiltrating the VVAW and the alleged involvement of some VVAW members in illegal demonstrations; militant antiwar activity by the VVAW, including reported links with foreign elements, was also a basis for the full investigation. 33 FBI concern centered on the national office of the VVAW, which the FBI saw as adopting Marxist-Leninist doctrine and anti-imperialist positions.
What war crimes? He just talked about actions that he characterized as war crimes: free fire zones and the like. The only deaths he saw were accidental, resulting from policies he characterized as criminal, but which others did not.
The atrocities he did cite, where everyone would agree they were atrocities, were sourced to named individual witnesses in the Winter Soldier Investigation.
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