TWO WITNESSES COULD END KERRY PRESIDENTIAL RUN -- "The Phoenix Project"

various sources | 3-12-04 | dfu

[doug from upland]

THOMAS LIPSCOMB STORY

Reporter Thomas Lipscomb wrote the story which is linked above in the NY SUN. It has the potential to end the Kerry presdential run.

I had a great conversation with Lipscomb a short while ago. This story was too hot for some of the majors. But Lipscomb assured me it is well-sourced and is dead on.

Two witnesses have placed John Kerry at a Kansas City meeting of the hierarchy of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War in November of 1971. At that meeting, they actually took a vote about assassinating United States senators. It was called "The Phoenix Project" and was the brainchild of Scott Camil. Kerry spokesman David Wade has denied Kerry was at the meeting.

The two witnesses who place Kerry at the meeting are Terry Du-Bose and Randy Barnes. What is very interesting is that Barnes is a big Kerry supporter and the head of Missouri Vets for Kerry. As a supporter, Barnes would certainly not make up a story that would hurt his candidate. He told Lipscomb of Kerry's attendance at the meeting.

Think of the implications. If the mainsteam media and major news networks do their homework, they may discover that a man who wants to be president was at a meeting discussing the possiblity of assassinating United States senators. That is a conspiracy. Instead of the White House, does John Forbes Kerry belong in the Big House?

Get on the phone to newsrooms and shame them into covering this story. A major mainsteam journalist returned by email in about a half hour after I sent him info. He finds it "interesting." Let's see if pursues it. He is notable enough, that if he does the story, all hell will break loose in the presidential campaign.

Note: Lipscomb is not a right-wing ideologue. He did a recent story defending Kerry over his medals. He also recently did a story in which he went after George Bush's National Guard service. He told me that he expected to find a drunken rich kid with coke up his nose. Instead, he discovered that Bush actually did more than make up the meetings he had missed and he honorably fulfilled his duty. And Terry McAuliffe knows it.

[Kenny Bunk]

If Kerry was there, and spoke against the plan, and resigned from the organization--all he has to do is say so.

Relax, this is what will happen. Kerry just needs a few days to get his story straight and the media will give it to him. He did, after all, resign, He just forgot he was at the meeting. After all, it was so very long ago and he was a young idealistic war hero who turned against the barbarityof war because he got these medals in VietNam and he is of Irish ancestry and looks like a Kennedyand George W. Bush is a draft-dogingliar and all around SOB like his evildad and not like the good Clinton President and he's a hero with medals from VietNam but not one of those babykillingrapists he described back then because he is a goodguyand Americans arelosing jobs everyminute while we go over this and are living with inadequatehealthcare because the draftdogingbastard GeorgeWBush is an evilguy like his dad vote for Kerry he is a hero and he ain't got no dead girl ine car so it's like having the other Irish guy Kennedy in the WhiteHouse.

TV news people are free to exerpt from my post without charge.

[Kenny Bunk]

BTW, when and if this story sees daylight, you can bet the Clintons will be driving it. If anybody is going to sink Ketchup-Boy, it's going to be Hillary.

Might even make sense for her to do it BEFORE the convention?

[Mo1]

Of course. This is not one national election. It is 50 state elections.

That's true . be we are also dealing with the Party of Clinton

Hey OXENinFLA ... you do remember the name of that constitution professor that Hellary has been hanging around with ...

He was the guy that Hellary asked to be in the Senate floor during the Estrada Nomination debate

[Cboldt]

I don't think anybody is assuming ballots would be reprinted, and certainly what is being described would be chaotic and unnerving. But what if a candidate just said, "I give up" at a late moment?

Fun speculation, perhaps not idle. I bet Bill and Hillary and many others have given this keen, critial analysis.

The twelfth amendment says that the electors will make a list including the names of the persons, and how many votes each person got. If that process is mangled, the election gets tossed to Congress.

[Mo1]

Fllow up ping from the other thread

[doug from upland]

She should do it a few days before the convention.

[Maria S]

(Don't wait until it is too late to stop Hillary -- do something today!)


I DO like your tagline...my question is: exactly what do you propose we do today?

[doug from upland]

Go to the FR SEARCH ENGINE. Type in THE REAL HILLARY CLINTON. Click archives, match all words, order by post time. You will see 30 episodes I wrote about her. Make sure you send them to everyone you know. Have them send them to everyone they know. That is what you can do. Thanks.

Note, when you do the search, go to Episode 30. It will have all the links to the previous stories.

[Zack Attack]

Yes, he voted "no." But if he attended that meeting, his very attendance was part of a conspiracy. If he wanted nothing to do with it, he had a duty to inform authorities about a potential plot to kill senators.

Really, whether he voted "yes" or "no" would make no difference. The mere fact that he would even cast a vote on such a thing would seem to me to be giving credence to it. The only right thing he could have done would be to walk out and immediately contact authorities.

[ThePythonicCow]

Color me naive, if you will, but I trust that while such shenanigans can be gotten away with on a local or state level, possibly affecting national politics indirectly, they still cannot be successfully perpetrated on a national level, or simultaneously across a majority of the states.

If there is anyway to prove me wrong, I trust that Bill and Hitlary will do so, this election or next.

[doug from upland]

I agree that how he voted didn't really matter. I was responding to someone else's post. Just placing him at the scene means he engaged in conspiracy and committed a serious felony. Even if he was not there, as the leader, he had to know what was happening.

[ThePythonicCow]

Yes - right before the election. Then she is seen as saving the party when she steps up as its candidate, rather than trying to destroy it.

[ThePythonicCow]

Oops - election convention

[doug from upland]

Thanks for putting this on Breaking News.

[atomicpossum]

If Kerry was there, and spoke against the plan, and resigned from the organization--all he has to do is say so. Is he going to get caught in a lie when the truth would suffice?

It would still paint the movement and organization that he LED as being more than the simple 'pro-American, pro-Peace" hippie dipwads that they paint themselves as....

[doug from upland]

Thanks to Hugh Hewitt for letting me get this on the air!

[dokmad]

"If the mainsteam media and major news networks do their homework, they may discover that a man who wants to be president was at a meeting discussing the possiblity of assassinating United States senators"

Give me a break. Do you, even for a moment think the lamestream media is going to look into anything negative on their annointed one, I'll sell you my waterfront villa on Mars.

[The Raven]

Kerry is a loon.

[doug from upland]

There actually are some reporters who believe in trying to do good journalism. And, there is also that Pulitzer thing.

[Rutles4Ever]

Question: Does this fall under the juridiction of the Department of Homeland Security? Assassinating senators seems to me a terrorist plot in nature - and you're absolutely right -- he had a duty to report this to authority. If someone was killed, he would have been an accessory to murder...