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The coming ice age [full-blown glaciation in less than 20 years]
Backwoods Home ^ | 3-8-04 | John Silveira

Posted on 03/08/2004 4:57:00 PM PST by SJackson

As little as 30 years ago the talk wasn’t about global warming, it was about an imminent ice age. Is an ice age likely? Even possible? Consider this: There have been more than 20 glacial advances, or ice ages, in just the last two million years. And we know from geological evidence that each glaciation lasted anywhere from 20,000 to 100,000 years—no one knows why the disparity—separated by warm periods that last some 10,000 to 15,000 years. What we can be reasonably sure of is that we’re now in one of the warm periods, and this one is already 13,000 years old. Some scientists think it’s at an end and a new ice age is about to begin.

No one really knows what causes ice ages. Theories abound. They include perturbations in the earth’s orbit, changes in ocean currents, the earth periodically passing through galactic dust that obscures the sun, variations in the sun’s energy output, changes in continental positions, uplift of continental blocks, reduction of CO2 in the atmosphere, etc. Evidence or experiment may eventually resolve which of the theories wins out, or it may turn out that a combination of theories are true. It may even be that none of the current theories proves satisfactory and some entirely new theory ultimately explains their cause.

But what is pretty certain is how they take place. It was once common wisdom to believe that the advent of an ice age took place over centuries or even millennia, and that they ended the same way. It was thought that the changes were so slow that, if people were around to witness them, each generation would hardly notice any change. If the next glaciation were to come on slowly, and we recognized it as the beginning of an ice age, maybe there would be time for civilization to adjust: to begin food storage, to develop crop hybrids that will endure shorter growing seasons, to move populations, factories, and technology—the core of our civilization—into southern climates, etc.

But we now have evidence that ice ages come on with an abruptness that will catch us by total surprise. Physical evidence indicates that when the last ice age started, the British Isles went from a temperate climate to being completely covered with glaciers hundreds of feet thick in just 20 years.

Do scientists think it’ll happen that way again? Yes. And if the next ice age starts here’s how it may occur: At first we wouldn’t even realize it, so the first few years we’d feel we were just having one or two bad winters. But after a few years rivers will freeze all-year-round, snow from the previous years won’t completely melt, glaciers will begin to form, and some of what is currently now the world’s most fertile ground will become unfarmable.

Countries bordering on both sides of the Atlantic will change radically as a result of changes in the Gulf Stream, and Europe, which today is almost 20 degrees warmer than other parts of the world at the same latitude, will become as cold and dry as Siberia. The Sahara may again become forested while the Amazon basin becomes a desert. Florida may also become a desert, as it was in a previous ice age.

At the same time, if the climate changes enough to disturb the monsoon season that fuels agriculture from Africa to China, where over half the world’s six billion people now live, hundreds of millions will starve when the climate abruptly changes. There’s no way to prepare them for that.

Canadian and Russian wheat will fail completely. American agriculture, on which much of the world depends, will be scaled back by shorter growing seasons. Not only will we not have enough food for export, we won’t be able to grow enough to sustain even our own current population. And jobs? Factories will close, service businesses will disappear, stocked supermarkets will become a thing of the past. Get ready for your standard of living to drop like a rock while you and your kin go hungry.

How far will the ice fields extend? In North America they will most likely reach as far south as present day Chicago. But they may go further. And this isn’t going to be some picture postcard winter landscape. At the height of the last ice age, the ice fields covering much of North America were up to two miles thick. So, expect the great northern cities, such as New York, Boston, Detroit, Toronto, Montreal, etc., to be swept away before advancing glaciers. In the meantime, sea levels will drop and more of the continental shelves will be exposed. You’ll be able to walk from Siberia to Alaska, from California to the Channel Islands, from Britain to France, from Australia to New Guinea.

But when is this really all likely to happen? Because no one knows what causes ice ages, there’s no way to forecast when the next one will start, how bad it will be, or what effect the (allegedly man-made) global warming taking place today will have on it. We can’t tell whether it will be less severe than the last one, when the ice sheets only extended as far south as Wisconsin, or as bad as some of the glaciations of half a billion years ago when ice sheets formed all the way to the equator. Although this latter scenario is unlikely, no one can be sure. But if it does, kiss the human race good-bye.

What seems fairly certain is that we will go from the world as it is today to full-blown glaciation in less than 20 years, maybe in as little as four or five. And there is no way the United States can adjust to and survive a climate change this abrupt.

Can we stop it? We can’t even stop a single snow storm. Imagine trying to stop an ice age that’s going to go on for tens of thousands of years.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: amazon; climatechange; desertification; refoliation; sahara
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To: raloxk
Well, one thing is for sure, something really bad is going to happen to us all if we don't quickly adopt world wide socialism!
81 posted on 03/08/2004 8:55:04 PM PST by TheDon (John Kerry, self proclaimed war criminal, Democratic Presidential nominee)
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To: The Great RJ
I was trying to understand how you get 2 miles of snow in 20 years. It does seem a bit much. Does it really rain that much anywhere?
82 posted on 03/08/2004 8:57:04 PM PST by TheDon (John Kerry, self proclaimed war criminal, Democratic Presidential nominee)
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To: TheDon
Great Story on how that UK Guardian report on how a Pentagon Paper said global warming will destory us in 20 years was a planted hoax by a reporter in Edmonton. He wanted to see if the Guardian would fall for the most absurd story so long as it bashed Bush.
83 posted on 03/08/2004 8:57:52 PM PST by raloxk
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To: SandRat
For more info on this, a great site: http://www.iceagenow.com
84 posted on 03/08/2004 9:01:23 PM PST by trajanus_red
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To: Lawgvr1955
According to Jimmy Carter's Global 2000 Report which I read in full from the library back in the 80's, we should all already be long dead.
85 posted on 03/08/2004 9:05:46 PM PST by Indie (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.")
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To: flying Elvis
You are gonna love this link! LOL!

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86 posted on 03/08/2004 9:10:11 PM PST by Marie (My coffee cup is waaaaay too small to deal with this day.)
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To: SJackson
When they can predict tomorrow's and next week's weather with certainty, then I'll start believing some of these doomsady scenarios.

Till then it's just a bunch of crap.
87 posted on 03/08/2004 9:10:13 PM PST by aquila48
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To: Indie
According to Jimmy Carter's Global 2000 Report which I read in full from the library back in the 80's, we should all already be long dead.

If Jimmy had been re-elected we all might have been.

88 posted on 03/08/2004 9:13:47 PM PST by Lawgvr1955 (I am not completely worthless; I can always serve as a "bad example".)
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To: kabar
I've been thinking about buying this book. Is it worth the read?
89 posted on 03/08/2004 9:14:24 PM PST by Marie (My coffee cup is waaaaay too small to deal with this day.)
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To: aquila48
It was 92 degrees here in Southern California today . . . or was that just frostbite that I was feeling. Do I need to start chopping down trees for extra firewood, or dig a bigger swimming pool? decisions, decisions, decisions . . .
90 posted on 03/08/2004 9:17:06 PM PST by NorseWood
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To: SJackson
A few years back, I read about scientists studying core drillings from some lake in Canada (the sediments). They could tell the annual flow, temperature, etc.

The cores told a story of an ice age advancing.
Length of time from the earliest indicators that the climate was cooling until full blown complete glaciation:

Ninety years.

91 posted on 03/08/2004 9:18:51 PM PST by djf
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To: SJackson
"Global Warming", it's a good thing.
92 posted on 03/08/2004 9:22:00 PM PST by Katya
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To: H2dude
I don't know, H2dude. We had a much better garden on Alaska than we did in Wyoming. The biggest difference was the shorter growing season. We could only bring in one or two crops in AK, but we managed to get three in Michigan. Bigger and better animals, too. I think that the cold helped keep the parasites down. (I know there's a liberal joke in here somewhere...)

All-in-all, it's workable. And I have awakened to find my house COMPLETELY covered in snow, roof and everything. I'll never forget my father's swearing when he opened the front door to find a wall of white. The roof didn't cave in and the snow actually acted like insulation in the house. I do think that we'll have to adapt to less vegetation, though. The eskimos did it without farming, so can we.

93 posted on 03/08/2004 9:22:10 PM PST by Marie (My coffee cup is waaaaay too small to deal with this day.)
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To: H2dude
One more thing. Don't forget green houses, hydroponics and grow lights. We really can grow anything, anywhere.
94 posted on 03/08/2004 9:23:23 PM PST by Marie (My coffee cup is waaaaay too small to deal with this day.)
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To: SJackson
We wouldn't have any of this creeping ice sheet problem if the President would only stop kissing Canadian butt and build a wall along our norther border!
95 posted on 03/08/2004 9:25:36 PM PST by CWOJackson (What are you complaining about, she called me compassionate...)
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To: SJackson
I think people living in Manitoba might notice. The lack of snow melting would be a big clue as would the Canada Day (aka Dominion Day) snowstorms.

The glaciation could be triggered by various things that cause increased snow in the higher latitudes. The only thing new about this article is that people are beginning to notice the speed with which these climate changes occur.
96 posted on 03/08/2004 9:27:03 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: InShanghai
Well I don't know about your cooling linked to the magnetic field flip, but we are seeing a flip of the magnetic field right now.... based on models we are well on our way to the north and south manetic poles flipping very soon.

I have never seen any suggestion that this flipping coincided with ice ages... but it is certainly an interesting theory if the dates do coincide.
97 posted on 03/08/2004 9:30:43 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: SJackson
No one really knows what causes ice ages.

For those who are interested:
What about the Ice Age?

98 posted on 03/08/2004 9:37:18 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: Squantos; wardaddy; Eaker; onyx
Stories like this make me want to keep the mothership, currently welded to the dock occupying an expensive hole in the water in San Diego.


99 posted on 03/08/2004 9:44:24 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: SandRat
It won't silence them. They will turn it into nouvelle cuisine.
100 posted on 03/08/2004 9:46:03 PM PST by rock58seg (Broken Glass Conservative, I'll even vote for a moderate if he's the most conservative candidate.)
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