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Will teens, young adults embrace same-sex ‘marriage’?
BP News ^ | 3-5-04 | Michael Foust

Posted on 03/08/2004 9:06:07 AM PST by truthandlife

If same-sex “marriage” is legalized nationwide in America, as some believe it will be, then the liberal views of teenagers and young adults are sure to play a large role.

This view is widespread among same-sex “marriage” supporters, who constantly cite polls showing what they claim are America’s changing attitudes. Teens, they say, are embracing homosexual “marriage.”

Deb Price, who works for The Detroit News, wrote a column last year about two high school students, Amanda Blair and Stephanie Haaser, who fought to change their respective schools’ attitudes on homosexuality. Price, a homosexual, believes same-sex “marriage” may be inevitable.

“The gay-friendly generation of Blair and Haaser will eventually take control of the most powerful jobs in the corporate, political and educational worlds,” she wrote.

Others agree.

Recently, during a protest against marriage laws in Illinois, a woman in Chicago told the local newspaper: “In 100 years, history books will look back on what's happening right now with judgment.”

Conservatives in recent years have been emboldened by polls showing that teenagers are more pro-life than their parents. But, if the polls are right, those same teens also are more likely to embrace same-sex “marriage.” Although polls differ, nearly all of them show that teens are at least 10 percentage points more likely to embrace changing the definition of marriage.

Consider:

-- A December New York Times poll showed that Americans opposed same-sex “marriage” by a margin of 61-34 percent. But the results among 18-29-years-olds were just the opposite -- 56 percent supportive, 40 percent opposed.

-- A February Newsweek poll showed that 47 percent of Americans favored either same-sex “marriage” or civil unions (23 percent marriage, 24 percent civil unions). But 58 percent of 18-29-year-olds favored some form of recognition (39 percent marriage, 19 percent civil unions).

The million-dollar question is this: Will those same teenagers and young adults stick with those beliefs?

“[O]ne would have to question, ‘Well, when they grow up and get older will they be like today’s older people, or will they carry with them these attitudes throughout their lives?’” political analyst Michael Barone told Baptist Press. “I could make a plausible argument for either position. I don’t know which one is right.”

The generation gap has been influenced by everything from television to academia to parenting, leaders say.

“I attribute it to the unrelenting pro-homosexual propaganda that they’ve grown up with,” said Peter Sprigg, director of the Family Research Council's Center for Marriage and Family Studies. “I think that although the majority of Americans overall still oppose homosexual marriage and oppose homosexuality, there is an overwhelming pro-homosexual bias in some of our major cultural institutions, such as academia, such as the news media and particularly the entertainment media, which is very influential with young people.

“I think we have a whole generation that has been raised on pro-homosexual mythology.”

Sprigg says higher education has been a big culprit, with public schools playing a smaller role. He notes that polls show that those with a college education are more likely to support same-sex “marriage.”

“That’s not because they’re more intelligent,” he said. “It’s because they’ve been subjected to this kind of teaching.”

Young people also have been raised on MTV, which promotes homosexuality through such programs as the “Real World,” and network television, which increasingly has added homosexual characters to its programming in recent years.

“The gay character is always depicted as the wisest, the funniest, the best dressed, the most stylish, the most reasonable,” Sprigg said. “That’s a very subtle but effective form of propaganda, I believe.”

In addition to television and academia, the breakdown of the family also has played a large role in shaping the attitudes of teens and young adults, some say.

“Since the late 1960s there has been an increasingly smaller percentage of parents rearing children from a uniquely biblical perspective,” said Richard Ross, professor of student ministries at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary and spokesperson for the abstinence-focused True Love Waits program for teenagers.

“Until this present generation of teenagers came on the scene, we were seeing -- reflected in each succeeding group of teenagers -- a smaller percentage embracing biblical values. Interestingly among teenagers in 2004, on some measures we are seeing teenagers more conservative than their parents.”

But same-sex “marriage” is an exception. Ross quoted a yet-to-be-published study by University of North Carolina researchers showing that teens have what he termed an “absolute resistance” to passing “judgment on any faith, philosophy or lifestyle.”

“We have trained the teenagers to believe that truth is relative and to believe we must be tolerant to all,” he said. “And that teaching has been uniformly successful.”

Sprigg called the current homosexual movement the “culmination” of the sexual revolution that began in the mid-20th century that taught “you should be able to have sex with anybody you want, whenever you want.”

Many people become more conservative when they marry and have children Sprigg said, adding that that could happen to the younger generation.

“[I]f they had a child in first grade and suddenly discovered their child was being taught about homosexuality in their first-grade public school classroom, I think it would give them pause, and they would say, ‘Wait a second, this is going too far,’” he said.

Ross isn’t so optimistic.

“I think instruction in tolerance has been so pervasive that teenagers will likely carry this perspective into adulthood unless there is very quick and very clear teaching in an opposite direction,” he said. “I am not hopeful, though, that this will take place. The vast majority of faithful parents in the church have abdicated Christian instruction to the church. Parents have come to believe that faithfully taxiing teenagers to and from the church fulfills their responsibility. This grieves me because parents have the power to shape lifetime values within their teenagers.”

One reason teens and young adults have different views, Sprigg said, is because they confuse what he believes are two very different issues. One concerns the victimization of homosexuals, the other the definition of marriage.

“They don’t want to see [homosexuals] harassed and [be] the victims of violence,” he said. “We agree with that.... [But] I think it is possible to separate the marriage issue from other concerns. Just because you’re upset that some homosexuals are the victims of hate crimes doesn’t mean that you have to grant same-sex marriage rights. It just doesn’t logically follow.”


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To: Betaille
For example, rather than getting married to a woman... why couldn't me and another straight friend have a same-sex marriage just so we c ould save money on our taxes, meanwhile we could still be heterosexual and have relationships with women "no strings attached".

Do straight men-women do this now? Do couples get married simply for the monetary benefits of having a marriage, and in the meantime, they are free to go be as promiscuous as they please? I don't see that things like this will be any more/less likely to occur if gay marriage is allowed.

21 posted on 03/08/2004 10:33:36 AM PST by dayton law dude
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To: tsomer
So why not argue on the same terms? For example we could cite the likely result that companies, faced with rising health care benefit costs, will find this the straw that breaks the camel's back & deny extended benefits to worker's families. This could cost the average family thousands per year. Government & union employees will fight this, and their employers will fold. This will mean higher taxes, educational tuition costs, and utility costs.

But will it increase costs? Suppose it's a two-earner gay household. Under present set-up, they have to draw on their own separate jobs for benefits. However, if they were married, they would need the benefits from only one company. One company would save and the other would not take on only as much expense as adding a heterosexual spouse.

While the second company might have more expenses from adding the gay spouse, on the average, they would also save money from other gay spouses working for them choosing to go with the benefits from their partners' companies.

22 posted on 03/08/2004 10:34:21 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: truthandlife
Kids who attend public school will 'accept' homo marriage much more easily, because they have been indoctrinated. That's why the NEA flips out about private schools and, in particular, home schooling. They can't indoctrinate 'em that way.
23 posted on 03/08/2004 10:35:44 AM PST by MEGoody (Kerry - isn't that a girl's name?)
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To: pugmehon
"I have a friend who is married, it is his third and her second."

So because your freind has reckless habits.. that means we have to surrender the definition of Marriage? That makes little sense to me. The fact that Marriage has been in such decline over the past 30 years or so is a prime reason to be AGAINST gay marriage, not for it. The last thing we need is for marriage to be made a "Commitment between 2 people to share a household", as its proponents want it defined.
24 posted on 03/08/2004 10:35:51 AM PST by Betaille (The city put the country back in me)
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To: little jeremiah
Ping


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The Stamp of Normality

25 posted on 03/08/2004 10:36:00 AM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: Betaille
Wow! I never realized my college roomates and I were married.

Were you and your college roommates making what you planned to be a life-time commitment? That's what I mean by long-term.

26 posted on 03/08/2004 10:36:15 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: pugmehon
Just for a little historical perspective, would you read this one? I found it interesting - I was horrible in history in school....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1093146/posts
27 posted on 03/08/2004 10:37:48 AM PST by momfirst
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To: Betaille
So because your freind has reckless habits.. that means we have to surrender the definition of Marriage?

When you accept easy divorce, you already have surrendered the definition of marriage. Marriage is a life-long commitment.

28 posted on 03/08/2004 10:38:02 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: pugmehon
Society has a vested interest in marriage and family since those are the foundational building blocks of said society.

That foundation has been eroding for some time what with 'no fault' divorce and all. This just drives a great big old wedge into cracks that already exist.

29 posted on 03/08/2004 10:38:32 AM PST by MEGoody (Kerry - isn't that a girl's name?)
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To: dayton law dude
"Do straight men-women do this now?"

No, but again, you are assuming that a relationship between a man and a woman is equivelant to a relationship between a man and a man. If I married a woman just for tax purposes it would likely get much more complicated than that becasue of our families expectations and the fact that we would have a natural sexual attraction. If I got a same-sex marriage to a male buddy, there would be no such issues, and most people would probably think it was funny.
30 posted on 03/08/2004 10:39:05 AM PST by Betaille (The city put the country back in me)
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To: truthandlife
Will teens, young adults embrace same-sex ‘marriage’?

Not my kids. They are disgusted by such things.

31 posted on 03/08/2004 10:39:38 AM PST by biblewonk (I must try to answer all bible questions.)
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
"I think to a certain extent, this is a function of being close friends with a homosexual. As increased tolerance results in more people being on close (non-sexual) terms with people they know are homosexual, they are going to want homosexuals to have the benefits of a legally recognized marriage."

I would guess that your 'increased tolerance' has at least as much to do with your overall political bent than just with having been friends with a homosexual for years.

33 posted on 03/08/2004 10:44:12 AM PST by MEGoody (Kerry - isn't that a girl's name?)
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To: Betaille
I don't know...there are plenty of female collegues and classmates of mine who I am pretty sure that I can guarantee you that, even if I lived exclusively with them with no contact with any other females, I could not find myself being sexually attracted to them. I'd stick to the "self-gratification" method in that case.

But that is getting off topic. I think what my point in my original post was, is that I honestly do not see men defiling the (new gay-friendly) definition of marriage simply to get tax benefits. But then again, I may just be too trusting a character.

35 posted on 03/08/2004 10:48:40 AM PST by dayton law dude
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To: Celtjew Libertarian
"Under present set-up, they have to draw on their own separate jobs for benefits."

Yes, as primary. However, the spouse's insurance kicks in as a secondary.

"However, if they were married, they would need the benefits from only one company."

Depends. Most spousal insurance now states that if the spouse also works and has access to health insurance through his/her employer, even if there is a charge for it, said spouse must use that insurance as a primary carrier.

When you add a 'secondary' coverage, the payouts from the insurance companies may well increase.

36 posted on 03/08/2004 10:49:25 AM PST by MEGoody (Kerry - isn't that a girl's name?)
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To: dayton law dude
"do not see men defiling the (new gay-friendly) definition of marriage simply to get tax benefits"
It wouldnt happen immediately, but due to the "anything goes" culture that this kind of moral dilution encourages... over time it would become socially acceptable for 2 straight men to use it for economic benefits. After what we've seen in the last 40 years, tell me honestly that you don't see that happening in the next 20?
37 posted on 03/08/2004 10:51:29 AM PST by Betaille (The city put the country back in me)
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To: truthandlife
Too bad abortion has trimmed the ranks of these young naifs to such a degree that by the time they are able to significantly influence the system they will be majority conservative...
39 posted on 03/08/2004 10:52:05 AM PST by thoughtomator (Political Correctness is fascism)
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To: MEGoody
Well.... I considered myself a moderate when I entered college in 1984 (if someone had answered the phone at my county Demoractic HQ when I called for registration info, I would've registered Democrat) and didn't care.

I considered myself a conservative (even considering myself pro-life for a while), when I graduated college in 1987 and didn't care.

I considered myself a Randian libertarian (save I was never Atheist) in 1990 and didn't care.

I considered myself a Republican Libertarian (I've long been rather interventionist on foreign and defense policy) in 1993, when I met my wife and her best friend... Sometime around then I started caring.

So being libertarian probably meant I was open to supporting gay marriage. But it didn't become an issue I seriously cared one way or another about, until I had a close gay friend.

40 posted on 03/08/2004 10:53:28 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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