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To: Rudder
That's not just my opinion, it's a fact, there simply are no scientifc data that support intelligent design.

I believe that is the main ciritcism of evolution as well. NO one has ever shown that one spiecies can actually arise from another (even with intelligent manipulation in the laboratory) or that, in the largest sense, life can come from non life. Evolution is speculation based on some scietific facts the same as intelligent design is. For something to be considered scientificly factual, it must be observed taking place and no one has ever observed the appearance of a new species taking place.

12 posted on 03/07/2004 12:50:11 PM PST by templar
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To: templar
NO one has ever shown that one spiecies can actually arise from another (even with intelligent manipulation in the laboratory) or that, in the largest sense, life can come from non life. Evolution is speculation based on some scietific facts the same as intelligent design is. For something to be considered scientificly factual, it must be observed taking place and no one has ever observed the appearance of a new species taking place.,

At least I try to check my spelling.

First of all, evolutionary theory does not even attempt to explain the origins of life (Darwin's Book: On The Origin of Species.

Ever seen a mule? What is your definition of a species?

16 posted on 03/07/2004 3:38:16 PM PST by Rudder
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To: templar
For something to be considered scientificly factual, it must be observed taking place

THIS ranks up there, in my book, along with statements like "sail too far and you'll fall off the edge".

Everything need NOT be directly observed to conclude its existance; such was the case for quite awhile with 'matter' and the conclusion it was ultimately composed of unseeable (at the time!) atoms ...

18 posted on 03/07/2004 3:45:45 PM PST by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: templar
NO one has ever shown that one spiecies can actually arise from another (even with intelligent manipulation in the laboratory)

Wrong!!!!! For starters have the Carassius Gibelio to the Carassius auratus, And no intelligent manipulation the Chinese didn't have genetic enginering capabilities. We even know the transitional forms

The History of the Goldfish


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The Gibel carp

Carassius Gibelio

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Common Goldfish (~900 A.D.)

Carassius auratus

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Fantail (1368)

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Telescope (1592)

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Celestal (1870)

Bubble Eye (1908)

43 posted on 03/09/2004 6:07:50 PM PST by qam1 (Tommy Thompson is a Fat-tubby, Fascist)
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To: templar
First off, evolution has absolutely nothing to do with the origins of life, that is, as you put it, "life can come from non life." Nothing at all. What it does have to do with is the development of new species over time, which there is extremely strong evidence for, both in the fossil record and more immediately in observable changes over shorter periods. Furthermore, your idea of "scientificly factual" is a bit of a straw man, in that evolution (and gravity) are referred to as theories, not as facts...
257 posted on 03/10/2004 12:58:18 PM PST by smcmike
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