More anti-christian garbage from somebody who's revealing his true colors. He's all for christians when they're dying on the battlefields of Iraq -- in a war he supported loudly - - - but they have their faith depicted on film (unless Jewish authorities are allowed to approve and censor the depiction) without being denounced with slimy smears. What a lowlife creep.
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To: churchillbuff
Et tu, Krauthammer?
2 posted on
03/04/2004 10:26:11 PM PST by
Ganymede
To: churchillbuff
And when we're talking "blood libels," what else can one call Krauthammer's obscene, if implicit, indictment of christianity for the holocaust. This despicable ignoramus doesn't know it was christian soldiers who defeated the nazis? If antisemitism grows in the wake of this film, it will be because jerks like krauthammer have shown how much they despise christianity and can't stand having the christian gospels proclaimed in the public square. He's one with the ACLU jerks who have sued christmas into the closet.
To: churchillbuff
Krauthammer has spent too much time at the WP if he really believes what he has written.
4 posted on
03/04/2004 10:27:33 PM PST by
thoughtomator
(Political Correctness is fascism)
To: churchillbuff
I am Jewish, and yet I am still alive after "The Passion" has been out for a week. Seems like my "leaders" have lied to me.
5 posted on
03/04/2004 10:27:43 PM PST by
Betaille
("I think I believe in God, but I don't believe the way President Bush does" -John Kerry)
To: churchillbuff
After witnessing and experiencing with my family this evening "The Passion", I know Krauthammer couldn't be more wrong in his assertions, and will pray that his eyes open to the truth.
6 posted on
03/04/2004 10:28:48 PM PST by
Chummy
(Could Kerry have *gasp* LIED to the Congress during his Vietnam testimony?)
To: churchillbuff
He's all for christians when they're dying on the battlefields of Iraq -- in a war he supported loudly - - - but they CAN'T have their faith depicted on film (unless Jewish authorities are allowed to approve and censor the depiction) without being denounced with slimy smears. What a lowlife creep.
To: churchillbuff
He's returning to his Marty Peretz/New Republic roots.
Folks here forget he's pro-gun control too.
8 posted on
03/04/2004 10:29:56 PM PST by
wardaddy
(A man better believe in something or he'll fall for anything.)
To: churchillbuff
There's no "blood libel" in The Passion.
What part of "father, forgive them" do these idiots not understand? Any "Christian" who condemns Jews for the death of Jesus are repudiating their own religion which teaches that ALL OF MANKIND is responsible. I watched The Passion today, and I really don't understand why Krauthammer is protesting so loudly.
10 posted on
03/04/2004 10:35:44 PM PST by
ambrose
("John Kerry has blood of American soldiers on his hands" - Lt. Col. Oliver North)
To: churchillbuff
Looks like Jews are so self-centered they think the movie was about them - not Christ. They cannot get beyond them, them, them, them.
Which, goes to prove, they do not believe that Christ is the Savior - they believe he was only a man and horribly resent the fact they are shown killing him. Why would they care if Christ was only a man?
I suggest the author quit worrying about how Jews are depicted and worry about what Jews believe about Christ. I would think this would be far more important than whether or not the world thinks they were Christ-killers.
The "world" does not offer eternal life.
12 posted on
03/04/2004 10:36:44 PM PST by
ClancyJ
(It's just not safe to vote Democratic.)
To: churchillbuff
Given my own life, I give everyone else more than one serious failure before I condemn them. I now apply that method to Krauthammer.
This is the first time I've ever read anything of his that I did not largely or totally agree with. It is also, not coincidentally, the first piece of his where it seems that his emotions were driving his logic, rather than being his usual, clear and able thinker.
So I'll just say, strike one, and you get more than one.
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15 posted on
03/04/2004 10:38:33 PM PST by
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To: churchillbuff
It seems that Gibson is a very devout man, so he must be struggling with his pride when he surveys what he has wrought, and the people he has put into a frenzy. Be hard not to gloat.
17 posted on
03/04/2004 10:38:59 PM PST by
squidly
(Money is inconvenient for them: give them victuals and an arse-clout, it is enough.)
To: churchillbuff
Perhaps this should not be surprising, coming from a filmmaker whose public pronouncements on the Holocaust are as chillingly ambiguous and carefully calibrated as that of any sophisticated Holocaust denier.Gibson has very publicly acknowledged the horror of the Holocaust. This is a breathtakingly irresponsible thing for him to have written. Many things to disagree with here, though I have always respected this man and I believe he is brilliant.
What a disappointment.
To: All
I am truly shocked and disappointed that Krauthammer doesn't even know the proper use of the term "blood libel."
(Hint: it has NOTHING to do with the death of Jesus.)
20 posted on
03/04/2004 10:44:40 PM PST by
Hon
To: churchillbuff
What a lowlife creep. On the contrary, Krauthammer is one of the clearest thinking, most articulate conservative voices in the media. I can almost always count on his insight on difficult issues. For him to deliver this stinging indictment of the movie is enough to make me stop and think. Since I haven't seen it yet, I will suspend my judgement until after I do. But to call someone like Krauthammer a lowlife creep merely tells me you've never read him before this article.
23 posted on
03/04/2004 10:45:30 PM PST by
giotto
To: churchillbuff
Who cares, the talking heads are so out of touch- in it only for the money and the shoulder rubbing. It is on par with the churches that never speak out about the evils of liberalism and the homosexual status in fear of losing their tax-exempt status.... all a damn disgrace. I have a new found respect for the street pastors who tell people their going to hell, at least they aren't driven by cash.
24 posted on
03/04/2004 10:46:08 PM PST by
Porterville
(random acts of kindness? Hate free zones? Kindness is in every act of hate I do.)
To: churchillbuff
How does the so called anti-semetism of "The Passion of The Christ" square with the fact that JESUS WAS JEWISH?
27 posted on
03/04/2004 10:46:35 PM PST by
reg45
To: churchillbuff
Gibson's personal interpretation is spectacularly vicious. Three of the Gospels have but a one-line reference to Jesus's scourging [In God's economy, in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. Three are enough for God the Father].
The fourth has no reference at all. In Gibson's movie this becomes 10 minutes of the most unremitting sadism in the history of film. The bloodthirst of Christ's tormentors and murderers is very accurately prophesied through the Old Testament: two examples are Psalm 22 and Isaiah 53, but there are others; and the agony Christ suffered is likewise covered in these ancient texts. Gibson didn't just the Gospels as his only historical reference; he used the Old Testament prophecies and historical facts about scourging and crucifixion. Since when is it anti-Semitic to use accepted historical facts to re-tell history?
Further, Scripture states clearly that the devil left Jesus after tempting Him (unsuccessfully) in the desert to return "at a more opportune time." One could scarcely characterize the Garden of Gethsemane as anything other than a more opportune time.
filmmaker whose public pronouncements on the Holocaust are as chillingly ambiguous and carefully calibrated as that of any sophisticated Holocaust denier.
HOGWASH. Mel emphatically stated in a recent prime time interview with Diane Sawyer that the holocaust happened and that millions of Jews died in it.
Kraut lost it here, IMO.
30 posted on
03/04/2004 10:47:13 PM PST by
GretchenEE
("The only person the Bible reveals as being desperate for time is the devil." - unattributed)
To: churchillbuff
read later
To: churchillbuff
Typical blaming of Christians for the actions of Hitler who was deeply into the occult.
To: churchillbuff
From the Medieval history I've read, it seems to me most of anti-semitism stems from the fact that
1) The powers to be deemed that in an agrarian society Jews could not own land (Why? I'm not sure. Medieval antisemitism?)
2)Loaning money for profit was not allowed in Christianity but allowed in Judaism and made some of them rich, i.e. target (as the "rich" are today)
3) The quickest way to get out of debt if you were a king, lord, or baron was to whip everyone into a Jew hating furor and expel them from your country.
Seems to me historically anti-semitism was been based on "follow the money" rather than who killed Christ.
41 posted on
03/04/2004 10:54:10 PM PST by
lizma
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