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Gun Liability Bill Falls in the Senate
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Posted on 03/02/2004 1:18:03 PM PST by brothers4thID

The Gun Manufacturers Liability Bill just failed by a vote of 8-90. Now there are no worries about the AWB (for now!).


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1805; awb; bang; banglist; gunscongresssenate; lawsuits; tortreform
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To: jf55510
And further .. to support my position:

GOP Plans Votes to Put Democrats On the Spot
Washington Post |03/02/04|Jim VandeHei and Charles Babington

Posted on 03/01/2004 8:31:23 PM PST by Pokey78

Republicans plan to use Congress to pull Sen. John F. Kerry and vulnerable Democrats into the cultural wars over gay rights, abortion and guns, envisioning a series of debates and votes that will highlight the candidates' positions on divisive issues, according to congressional aides and GOP officials.

The rest of the article is at Washington Post.
201 posted on 03/02/2004 6:14:13 PM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: jf55510
jf55510 said: "The Dems played the Republicans like fiddle throughout this debate. There is no Republican leadership in the Senate."

The critical issue in this debate became the AWB renewal. The Senate voted to add this amendment to the bill by 52-47. That is the clearest statement of where our Senate stands today. As long as a majority of the Senate will vote for such an infringement, there is nothing to lead. One must be content with not losing ground.

I will be looking for opportunities to help the pro-gun opponents of those Republicans who are challenging me to defend the Constitution of the United States with my life, my fortune, and my sacred honor. They are disgusting tyrants and should look elsewhere for sympathy if my chance to stop them arises.

202 posted on 03/02/2004 6:16:49 PM PST by William Tell
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To: El Gato
Regarding the need for amendments to be germane, read the following info. This may be "germane" to future attempts to resurrect the AWB for another vote in the Senate:

"...when operating under a general unanimous consent agreement in the usual form on a bill or resolution, amendments must be germane. Germaneness of amendments is also required once the Senate has invoked cloture; in addition, any amendments considered under cloture must have been submitted in writing before the Senate's vote on cloture."

SenateRules

203 posted on 03/02/2004 6:19:28 PM PST by BushMeister
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To: archy
Try to keep up. The Bill is dead because of the amendments.
204 posted on 03/02/2004 6:45:02 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Eaker; Travis McGee
I can't even get over the fact that a couple of "R's" put this one into the fray...But ask me if after all that has happened today really surprised me...

Maybe they we're just messing with us...I cannot other than see that they were illustrating absurdity by being absurd...

If thats the case, and they were my Senators...Somebody would be getting a serious lecture about how tenuous their job is at this time...

I can't see that its anything other than something along those lines...

I think they have some explaining to do to their constituents in their home States...They sure would be getting a face full of me if they were from our State...

Kennedy's blithering on the floor alone today is indicative of and re-affirms our stance opposing any of the gun control methodology and agenda...

If anything I think we should be prepared for some of the most off the wall stuff to come down the pike in a long time...They are not going away anytime soon...

What we should be prepared for is something along the lines of what we have read recently to be exploited by these very same people...Because if I see it right...We will have no one to fight it at all legistlatively if it does...

Later,
Steve
205 posted on 03/02/2004 6:52:01 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans)
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To: Shooter 2.5; Eaker; archy
That amendment was designed to stop Kennedy's. It was going to be a useless study that would disappear after stating the obvious.

The obvious being that virtually all centerfire rifle ammo would zip through body-armor?

206 posted on 03/02/2004 7:01:22 PM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. Impeach activist judges!)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Try to keep up. The Bill is dead because of the amendments.

One battle is won. That is not the war.

How's Wisconsin CCW doing? How about rollback of the FOPA civilian machinegun ban- slipped in as a last-minute amendment.

You see the opposition backing off or moving on into new directions?

This is not over by a long shot. If you think otherwise, you're delusional.

Senate Approves Feinstein-Warner-Schumer Extension of Assault Weapons Ban

March 2, 2004

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Washington, DC – The U.S. Senate today approved extending the ban on military-style assault weapons, sponsored by Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.).

The bipartisan legislation, also sponsored by Senators John W. Warner (R-VA) and Charles Schumer (D-NY) would extend the current ban on the manufacture and importation of 19 types of assault weapons (and many other by characteristic) by an additional 10 years. The ban will expire on September 13, 2004 unless Congress approves the new legislation and it is signed into law by President Bush.

“This is a tremendous day,” Senator Feinstein said . “It was an uphill battle, but it was a battle worth fighting. The NRA went all out to repeal this legislation, and we won. I feel exactly like I did in 1993. Once in a while, when you have something in which you deeply believe, and that something is made into law and sustained, it is so elating and so important.

I deeply believe that assault weapons don't belong on the streets of our communities. The bill we drafted banned the manufacture and sale of assault weapons. It also banned the manufacture of the big clips, drums or strips, which make them so dangerous. The aim was to dry up the supply of these weapons over time -- and the ban has worked. It has reduced the proportion of banned weapons used in crime by two-thirds.

In the past few days, we've heard horror stories about the gun industry planning to put bayonet mounts and grenade launchers and flash suppressers back on the market again. This would have been terrible.

I want to thank all the Senators that voted for this amendment and all the cosponsors that helped secure victory. It would not have happened if we had not acted as a team.

I want to particularly thank Senator Warner. Senator Warner voted against the ban 10 years ago, but had the good judgment to see that the ban has worked, that law enforcement supports it, and to understand what would happen if this ban were repealed.

I also want to thank Senator Schumer. Senator Schumer was on the Judiciary Committee in the House when this came up in 1993. I asked him if he would take the bill that I had introduced and try to shepherd it through the House. He did that, which was no small accomplishment.

Now, the key is to keep the extension of the ban in the gun immunity bill. We should not go to conference on this bill, until there is a commitment that the assault weapons legislation will be part of a final gun immunity bill. We have a commitment from Minority Leader, Senator Daschle, to assure that that's the case.

The issue is now clearly joined, and I believe the overwhelming number of the American people want this assault weapons legislation continued for another ten years. At the end of the road, I hope that we will have achieved that.”

Extension of the assault weapons ban enjoys broad support:

• President Bush supports the extension of the ban : In April 2003, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said of the assault weapons ban, "The president supports the current law, and he supports reauthorization of the current law."

• Extension of the ban is widely supported by gun owning and non-gun owning voters. According to an October poll (sample size – 800) conducted for Americans for Gun Safety by Mark Penn, voters support renewing the ban by a margin of 77-21% (66-32% among voters who own guns).

Law enforcement organizations support the extension:

• Fraternal Order of Police
• International Association of Chiefs of Police
• The Major Cities Chiefs
• The National Association of Police Organizations
• The National Organization of Black Law Enforcement
• The International Brotherhood of Police Officers
• The Hispanic American Police Command Officers Association
• The American Probation and Parole Association
The ban also has broad support in the community:

• National League of Cities
• US Conference of Mayors
• National Association of Counties
• US Conference of Catholic Bishops
• National Education Association
• American Bar Association
• NAACP
• Americans for Gun Safety
• Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence United with the Million Mom March
• Church Women United
• Episcopal Church, USA
• American Academy of Family Physicians
• American Public Health Association
• Family Violence Prevention Fund
• National Coalition Against Domestic Violence
• National Network to End Domestic Violence
• National Association of Public Hospitals and Health Systems
• National Association of Social Workers
• Physicians for a Violence Free Society
• American Association of Suicidology
• Mothers Against Violence in America
• Child Welfare League of America
• Alliance for Justice

Legislation to reauthorize the assault weapons ban is cosponsored by Senators Mike DeWine (R-OH), Lincoln Chafee (R-RI), Carl Levin (D-MI), Christopher Dodd (D-CT), James Jeffords (I-VT), Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), Jack Reed (D-RI), Hillary Clinton (D-NY) and Barbara Mikulski (D-MD).

207 posted on 03/02/2004 7:14:00 PM PST by archy (Concrete shoes, cyanide, TNT! Done dirt cheap! Neckties, contracts, high voltage...Done dirt cheap!)
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To: archy
The Wisconsin CCW law is dead for this year. Kansas introduced one a little while ago and it's going to be the exact scenario as Wisconsin. Nebraska introduced one at the same time. That may pass. New Hampshire is going green as soon as it passed the House and the Governor promised to sign it.

From now until September, the AWB is going to be attached to every Bill that goes through the Senate.

The good news is we have a candidate check list for election day.
208 posted on 03/02/2004 7:25:02 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: TigersEye
Yep, you got it. More importantly, any firearm that a union member, deer hunting, duck hunting, "I hate those black rifles", dem voting, gun owner happens to own is ON THE LIST.
209 posted on 03/02/2004 7:30:18 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Shooter 2.5
The good news is we have a candidate check list for election day.

Lists are a good thing.

210 posted on 03/02/2004 7:37:48 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Okay, there are more than a few state level compacts for reciprocity, but not for all and there are varying requirements. How about a uniform single reciprocity law that allows carry nationwide with the issuing states requirements under the 14th Amendment's Full Faith and Credit clause as well as the Equal Protection clause.
211 posted on 03/02/2004 7:45:13 PM PST by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic.)
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To: BushMeister
"Kohl amdt. making subtle changes in S. 1805 language..."

You call the mandatory inclusion of a gun lock with ever firearms sale "subtle?" What in the world would you call "Obvious?"
WWIII?

212 posted on 03/02/2004 7:52:58 PM PST by Redbob
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To: KQQL
Just a guess on my part but, if they had passed the ammended bill, it would have gone to a House/Senate conerence committee where the "poison pill" ammendments could have been stripped out. Also, the Dems want to campaign against "Assault Weapons" in the Fall. Look for a host of "Child killed by assault rifle" stories to make their way in to your local and national news coverage starting in late September.
213 posted on 03/02/2004 8:02:41 PM PST by Reverend Bob
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To: ExSoldier
I could support that. What I can't support is the ability of police officer to carry out of their districts or states. That involves a class system and I can't reward police who stand by anti-gun mayors who talk about blood in the streets.

I'm also hesitant about a National Carry law. Introducing state CCW laws has reversed a lot of dem party control. I can be accused of the old "I got mine" syndrome. Sorry.

I truly believe in a shorter time than thought possible, Illinois will throw out gun control along with Chicago's Mayor daley.
214 posted on 03/02/2004 8:03:50 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: COEXERJ145
ah, yeah, it kinda looked that way from the start.
Republicans need to start doing the same damned thing to them. Only, if possible, harder.
215 posted on 03/02/2004 8:06:28 PM PST by King Prout (I am coming to think that the tree of liberty is presently dying of thirst.)
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To: Redbob
No, I wasn't referring to the gun lock issue. The Kohl amendment was a 2nd degree amendment, being a change to the Boxer amendment. I seem to remember a Kohl amendment to which Craig referred as being a "slight" change to S. 1805, but I don't see it on Thomas.gov. I thought Kohl had offered some clarifying language to which Craig agreed regarding the underlying S. 1805.

I certainly don't consider the gun lock amendment "subtle", and I'm very creeped out that it got 70 votes. The CPSC oversight is very scary and a chance for real mischief.

BTW, it is already mandatory here in NY State that ALL firearms sold come with a gun lock. Elliot spitzer, I'm sure, will have fun with that one, whether he remains AG or is elected Governor.

216 posted on 03/02/2004 8:07:56 PM PST by BushMeister
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To: Travis McGee; archy
out of the 52-47 yea-nay vote which resulted in the attachment of the AWB extension amendment to S1805, who were the republican turncoats?
217 posted on 03/02/2004 8:09:31 PM PST by King Prout (I am coming to think that the tree of liberty is presently dying of thirst.)
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To: All
Here is the amendment page for S. 1805, from Thomas:

S1805amdts

218 posted on 03/02/2004 8:10:25 PM PST by BushMeister
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To: Travis McGee
Lists are a good thing.

Dossiers are better. Addresses, phone #'s, itineraries, habitual patterns ...

Lists are good but I like meat in my reading material. ;^)

219 posted on 03/02/2004 8:14:22 PM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. Impeach activist judges!)
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To: hopespringseternal
Except that the gun lawsuit racket has been spectacularly unsuccessful, even in liberal jurisdictions.

The people in the tobacco business had that kind of optimism for decades.

Sooner or later, they'll find the right jury, judges, etc and suck all the life, money, and jobs out of some decent gunmaker.

220 posted on 03/02/2004 8:16:27 PM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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