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Giuliani: Bush's dream ticket
Scotland On Sunday ^ | 29 Feb 2004 | BEN MCCONVILLE IN NEW YORK

Posted on 02/29/2004 10:24:29 AM PST by aculeus

US PRESIDENT George Bush is ready to pull off the biggest shock of this year’s election campaign by naming Rudy Giuliani as his running mate at the Republican convention in Manhattan in September.

Giuliani remains the most popular politician in the US and speculation is mounting that Bush will announce the former New York mayor as his vice presidential candidate as the country marks the third anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

The Republican party has already carried out canvassing of voters to assess how much support Giuliani has across the country and, according to reports, received high levels of public support.

The public has not forgotten Giuliani’s stoic leadership in the dark days after 9/11, when his words and actions became a beacon for the American people.

Analysts believe Bush, who lags behind Democratic frontrunner Senator John Kerry in opinion polls, would benefit from tapping into Giuliani’s popularity.

Dozens of polls since 2001 have shown Giuliani to be the most popular politician in the US, even though he has not held public office since Michael Bloomberg took over the post of mayor of New York in 2002.

Leading commentator Al Neuharth, the man who created USA Today, said Bush would do what his father did not - namely dump his vice president, currently Dick Cheney.

Neuharth said the ideal time for the announcement would be at the Republican convention in September, commemorating 9/11 at Ground Zero.

Bringing Giuliani on board would be a massive boost for Bush, who is lining up to run as a ‘war President’, concentrating on the war on terror rather than the war in Iraq.

Neuharth said: "No one stirs us more on anti-terrorism than Giuliani, for his handling of the aftermath of the attacks on the World Trade Center while he was mayor of New York City.

"Bush and his political signal callers actually have tested Giuliani nationwide, during the 2002 mid-term elections and since. They like what they saw.

"Bush’s popularity has slipped sharply, and the election will be much closer than many thought a few months ago. The Bush administration will be under fire, particularly on Iraq."

He said losing Cheney and possibly defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld, could help protect Bush from criticism over Iraq. "They clearly were the hawks who helped Bush decide to go after Saddam Hussein," Neuharth said.

Republican activists expressed their admiration for Giuliani and said he could prove a major boost at the polls.

Jerry Roe, a Michigan historian and former state Republican Party executive director, said: "Let’s put it this way, I’d love to see Giuliani as vice president. I think Cheney’s health could be a factor. And then add up all the negatives on the Halliburton thing."

Bob Tennant, a Republican activist and associate editor of the Delcot Times, said many in the party would like to see Giuliani run.

He said: "You let your mind go numb, dream, and you could convince yourself it could possibly be true. "Giuliani is perhaps the guy the Republican National Committee secretly wishes could run for the Oval Office.

"He’s the Republican no Democrat could say anything negative about. He saved New York City. Twice. Once before 9/11, and once after."

Under the headline "NYers want Rudy back on duty", a poll in the New York Post last September revealed that 62% of voters across New York state wanted him to return to public service either as governor, senator or a return to mayor.

The poll showed he would beat Hillary Clinton in a race for senator of New York by 57% to 40%. There is also significant support for Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate.

Cheney, has come under fire for his links to the firm Halliburton. He was its chief executive for five years and the firm was awarded multibillion dollar contracts for the reconstruction of Iraq.

Cheney is also in a poor state of health and, at the age of 63, has had four heart attacks. For the past three years a device in his chest has ensured his heart pumps normally.

In the White House he has an influential - some believe decisive - say on the strategic issues of the day, from long-term energy policy to invading Iraq.

But his leading role in foreign policy has left his fingerprints all over the hyping of intelligence about Iraqi weapons.

He visited the CIA several times before the war, and his chief of staff, Lewis ‘Scooter’ Libby, tried to persuade Colin Powell, the secretary of state, to ‘sex up’ the case against Saddam Hussein by sending him memos bursting with unsubstantiated claims.

Hardly a week passes without a new investigation into Halliburton’s operations in Iraq, from overcharging $61m for fuel deliveries to billing the government for thousands of soldiers who did not exist.

National Journal, the ultimate Washington insider’s magazine, this week put Cheney’s picture on its cover with the title: "Just the Ticket? Does having Dick Cheney as his running mate help or hurt George W Bush in 2004?"

A Time/CNN poll this month found that only 43% of Americans thought Cheney should be on the Republican election ticket.

Republican sources said that if Cheney considered himself to be a liability he would step down as vice president.

Bill Frist, the party leader in the Senate and a former doctor, has been suggested as a possible replacement. But Giuliani has the charisma, the finances and the backers within the Republican party.

He has so far declined to say whether he wants to return to public office, but has appeared to have been quietly canvassing support.

Since leaving the mayor’s office he has headed his own security consulting firm and has appeared as a regular pundit on cable news channels such of Fox News.

Barring a convenient capture of Osama bin Laden in October, Giuliani is Bush’s best hope of capturing a popular tide ahead of elections on November 2.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2004; bushcheney2004; cheney; giuliani; gwb2004; rncconvention; rudy; rumor; veep
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To: aculeus
A RHINO... BIg Time!
61 posted on 02/29/2004 1:07:46 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Mudboy Slim
Good point!

I just want to see Bush reelected. If it helps Bush's chances having someone else on the ticket then so be it. Maybe JC Watts would be better than Guiliani. If by naming a new Veep increases Bushes chances in November then it is a good thing. The election is too close to take chances on. Bush can name Cheney to a cabinet post or something. It seems like it is a win win . I still will vote for Bush either way though. It is scary to think that people would choose not to vote for W over this trivial matter.

I can't imagine a President Kerry. It will be the worst thing for the Country.

62 posted on 02/29/2004 1:09:16 PM PST by MAKOTHEDOG
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To: rodguy911
Everything you say and intimate is correct in a "perfect" world. There is just one problem, elections are won on the baisis of Dick Morris type politics and have been for some years. Right and wrong, principled,unprincipled--all that counts "personally" but when election time comes if we are the only ones playing by the rules we can loose. Ever heard of triangulation--if you think GW doesn't know all about it you are wrong. It's a very slick world we live in today, that's why most pricncipled conservatives simply won't run.

Winning and principles are simply not mutually exclusive, contrary to popular opinion. I don't blame you for believing that to be the case; the media and many other political types work awfully hard to convince folks that sticking to their principles is a surefire way to lose.

Fact is, the electorate is generally sophisticated enough to differentiate between pandering and heartfelt beliefs. Not always, but sticking to your principles will win an election as often as pandering to a cause not yours.

63 posted on 02/29/2004 1:13:05 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: TonyWpi
We need to save Rudy for the NY Senate in 2006! He's the only one who can save us from Hitlary!

At last some sense in this discusion. Think ahead chaps, think who will be Democrat nominee in 2008, think President Clinton MarkII.

Your best chance of avoiding H.R.C. in the Oval Office is to kick her out of the Senate in 2006, then she becomes damaged goods. Giuliani is well known here in England due to 11th September (he has an honourary knighthood), and along with Secretary Powell is one of the two Republicans who are generally liked by the English; however, I have to disagree. Do you want a V.P. who goes to 'Pride' wearing drag? However, if he is removing the Junior Senator for New York, surely anything is an improvement.

My final point is that if Cheney is to be removed from the nomination then he has to do it. Even if he a being pushed behind the scenes, he has to stand up and claim health issues; anything else would be an own goal.
64 posted on 02/29/2004 1:15:40 PM PST by tjwmason (A voice from Merry England.)
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To: Hand em their arse
Guiliani is WAY too NY for the rest of the country.

And Bush is way too Texas for East Coast elites. Giuliani would not only add star power to the ticket, but he would be a capable leader in the War on Terrorism, should he have to step up as Commander in Chief.

65 posted on 02/29/2004 1:17:23 PM PST by giotto
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To: NittanyLion
Once again you are right, I've become cynical over the years. I see people reject the good for the expedient over and over or follow the lemmings promoted by the mainstream press--it's disconcerting. Principles are alwys best but how do you disprove a lie told over and over.
66 posted on 02/29/2004 1:19:41 PM PST by rodguy911
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To: PLK
I don't think Condoleeza Rice wants the position. I could be wrong, but that's how it appears to me.
67 posted on 02/29/2004 1:23:18 PM PST by Clara Lou
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To: All
Funny, some of the people who whine about Bush not being Conservative enough are the same ones who want Cheney replaced as VP with Giuliani, someone who is hard left on many issues.

Giuliani would be fine as a Senator from New York but not as President or VP. Besides, mayors aren't known for winning Presidential elections. The only one to ever win the Presidency was Grover Cleveland.

68 posted on 02/29/2004 1:26:18 PM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: aculeus
He said losing Cheney and possibly defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld, could help protect Bush from criticism over Iraq. "They clearly were the hawks who helped Bush decide to go after Saddam Hussein," Neuharth said.

Ideally Rumsfeld would be at the top of the ticket with GWB as VP.

69 posted on 02/29/2004 2:00:42 PM PST by Moonman62
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To: bobo1
I prefer Cheney.

Me too. But what's more important, Pres. Bush prefers Cheney. Calls him "Big Time." Case closed.

70 posted on 02/29/2004 2:56:50 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: aculeus
"...dream team..."

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71 posted on 02/29/2004 3:02:47 PM PST by hoot2
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To: southernnorthcarolina

this guy for "whitehouse PRESS secretary"
then people would actually look forward to "press conferences..."
72 posted on 02/29/2004 3:11:17 PM PST by hoot2
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To: aculeus
Can we talk? Cheney DOES have poor health. His heart function is just barely adequate with an EF of 40% (65% is normal). What does he bring to the table? Wyoming's 3 electoral votes? Bush has those anyway.

Guiliani does two things. He makes the Republican ticket look more moderate to "moderates." That's a good thing. He may very well make the difference between winning and losing. That's a good thing. And finally, but no less important, Guiliani is in line for 2008, when Hillary is expected to run.

People don't vote for the VP, but right now Cheney is a net minus in a number of respects. I can't see anyone rejecting Bush in the south because Rudy is on the ticket.

Bush 41 might have done something similar in 1992 and spared us all the eight years of Clinton. His son learned a valuable lesson here, I think.
73 posted on 02/29/2004 3:19:27 PM PST by RichardW
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To: Hand em their arse
I agree .. but as A SENATORIAL CANDIDATE IN 2006 - that would be great! Because .. if Hillary loses in 2006, she will have a very difficult time trying to run for president in 2008.

I would love to see this in 2006!! NY'ers love Rudy!!
74 posted on 02/29/2004 3:24:39 PM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: Salman
Rice is a super intelligent class act. She would definitely help the Republican ticket IMMENSELY. The first Pres to have a black running mate a Republican...as it should be. She is strong, tough and no pushover. And it would silence the diatribe from Jesse and make him more of a hypocrite than he already is if he criticized Bush for it.
75 posted on 02/29/2004 3:30:04 PM PST by Indie (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.")
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To: giotto
And Bush is way too Texas for East Coast elites

And Guiliani is way too Republican for the East Coast elites. No GOP ticket in 2004 is going to get the East Coast elites, so why worry about them at all? A Bush-Guiliani ticket could get you a lot of white votes (he's a racially polarizing figure. 9/11 doesn't change that) in NY and NJ and perhaps tilt the EC balance in Bush's favor. Of course, having Rudy on the ticket also means perhaps losing some states in the South. Who knows?

76 posted on 02/29/2004 3:31:02 PM PST by AM2000
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To: RichardW
I can't see anyone rejecting Bush in the south because Rudy is on the ticket.

I'm in NJ so I can't speak for the south, but going by what lots of southerners on FR seem to be saying it sure sounds like Rudy on the ticket would cause them to sit it out or vote Constitution Party. That impression is based on what I've read here on FR; how accurate do you think it is when applied to the south as a whole?

77 posted on 02/29/2004 3:33:23 PM PST by AM2000
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To: RichardW
He may very well make the difference between winning and losing.

I agree that Cheney is a drag on the ticket. But what state would Giulani help win? Bush would still lose NY and NJ.

78 posted on 02/29/2004 3:42:02 PM PST by Plutarch
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To: Plutarch
I'm not sure about that. Rudy is very popular among whites in NY & NJ. He'd even get some of the Latin & Asian vote. He could tilt one (or both) of these states into the Bush column, esp. if Nader helps.
79 posted on 02/29/2004 3:44:36 PM PST by AM2000
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To: aculeus
When time, Cheney will debunker from the secure location and kick @$$, and that is what they are afraid of. ;-)
80 posted on 02/29/2004 3:49:11 PM PST by StriperSniper (Manuel Miranda - Whistleblower)
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