British Jews Outraged by 'Passion' Epic

Times UK ^

[USMARINE6]

The negative response from some Rabbis & Christains makes no sense.

[TomServo]

Not the "smiling" bit.

I can see both views on this. The anger and the smug satisfaction.

[Paul Ross]

I haven't seen the movie, nor do I plan to...

I would encourage you to do so...although it is graphic. It is reasonably accurate. (Just saw it last night) Have you heard Avi Lipkin speak? Even if we don't convert one another, we have a belief in the same spiritual Father. Your scripture is the solid foundation for ours. We should not be repeating the quarrelling of Jacob and Esau over who has the birthright. Nor need you fear. Our scripture teaches that the two shall be joined in the vine, that we gentiles are adopted into the Fathers family...with you. You are his first-fruits. God is still true to his promise to Abraham.

[Orlando]

The numbers for day #1 of "The Passion of the Christ" is still growing it's over $ 26.5 Million $, and still counting...

The Anti-Christ people are going crazy, and showing there true colors..


http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=passionofthechrist.htm

[bornintexas]

"Many left the Odeon in Leicester Square branding it "disgusting," "deplorable," and likely to incite racial hatred."

The only racial hatred I see coming from this film is from the leftist media and Jews against Christians.

[Iowegian]

Excellent analysis Sam. But of course liberals don't think logically, it's all knee-jerk and "feelings" based.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

Good point. Why aren't they worked up about more recent killings ?

[SF Republican]

No Christian will walk out of this film without bad feeling towards Jews I was not too happy about the Germans after Schendlers List

[the OlLine Rebel]

You may have some good points. Esp. that last sentence.

Altho, probably more from the non-Jewish peanut gallery than the Jewish part. The non-Jewish leftists just keep the Jewish part paranoid.

You know, after all, that Right = Christian = fascist = Holocaust, correct? ;-)

(Personally, I am not afraid of any real anti-Christian sentiment [from Jews, anyway] either way. I'm not that paranoid. :) )

[Eva]

But these same Jews are strangely silent while the Islmofascists spew their hate message against Jews on campuses around the world.

There was a Jewish Rabbi on Scarborough, last night who said that the accusations of antisemitism in the Passion, stem from the apparent lack of Biblical knowledge on the part of those making the accusations. He said if they knew the Torah better, they would realize that the Christians are the best friends that the Jews ever had, that Christian revere the Jews as God's chosen people and do not blame them for the crucifixion.

[ClearBlueSky]

Israel/Mid East 2000 years ago= No Norwegians. Middle Eastern natives and Romans. Period. Opinion doesn't change that.
I'd have less problems with people denying Jesus ever lived, that the Crucifixion ever took place, than with this denial of WHO was present at that place in history and time.

All this howling about the violence of a brutal means of torture and death must mean that a more 'sanitized' look at all history is preferred.
I don't think movies about homicidal murderers are necessary at all- there's the news if you want to know what happened. But they are made, aren't they? With all the gory details the news only hinted at. HISTORY was bloody and violent. It cannot- and should not- be sanitized by revisionists.

From the Christian POV, the Passion is about actual history.
It is no different than a film about any War ever fought on this planet or any famous historical figure whose life ended tragically.
Filmmakers are praised for their daring scope and vision in bringing the past to the screen with such movies. Why is this one different? Why can't this story, this death, be explored and presented?
If it were the story of a RECENT brutal torture and execution, the same people condemning Gibson and his film would have been bidding for the rights to film it.

They will make Mel Gibson 'pay' for making ' The Passion'?
Keep mouthing off, boys! Over 80% of this country is Christian. We can make YOU pay a LOT more!

[fella]

less about anti-Semitism and more about an anti-Christian agenda.

Bingo!

[ptrey]

Sam Cree, I appreciate your post. With my church my family and I are going to see the movie tonight. It's assisine to be accused as anti-semitic when our SAVIOUR is a Jew and believe we are too. Best, Will

Romans 2:29
But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

Romans 10:12
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;

[Uncle Miltie]

My Jewish family is very interested in seeing the movie, preferrably with our Catholic neighbors.

Inter-generational guilt is for xenophobes and demagogues. If today's Jews are guilty for killing Christ, then today's Christians are guilty for the Inquisition. Neither is true.

Every Religion believes its own story. Real Jews have the Torah, and for us G-d actually parted the sea like the movie "The Ten Commandments". Real Christians have the passion, and the things represented in Gibson's movie are true to them. Muslims and Hindus have their stories too.

The question becomes, what do you do with the story you believe to be true? Each religion tends its own way. Right now, I suggest that Jews and Christians settle down and look at the real killing: Muslims are killing us. They want us all dead. If you want some "passion" in your life, consider who is killing you.

[bvw]

Yitzchak Schochet, a leading rabbi, said: "The cinematography was fantastic, the acting was brilliant - but the content was deplorable in the extreme. It is filled with grotesque blood-letting. Much of it is based on hearsay.

A good review! Yet extraneous and unfaithful in the end. Extraneous because every movie is hearsay, even the best and must scruplous documentary. Hearsay is always a pot that draws flies, and every movie is full of it. Some pots are covered better than others, some have none.

The cover of this movie's chamberpot is it's very ultra-violence, surpassing what Clockwork Orange only dreamed of.

And there, a shochet might understand the faith of cutting and rending, for few are up to having it seen so boldly. A cut is always honest. A blow, a bruising blow, may damage unseen, dishonest in that. A cut -- it's damage is clear, obvious, faithful and honest.

I haven't seen the movie, but I've seen real cuts and the effects of tearing flesh apart wildly, wishing never to see it again, I am.

And there's the faith of the movie. For it is a movie -- not a real cut -- and only that way bearable to watch, for it is not reported that many at all have walked -- run out -- of the theater as say, folks did for the other ultra-violent movies such as "Pulp Fiction". The faith of the movie is that it is a movie. The faith of the movie is that people watching it -- no matter how deeply affected they might at the time think they are -- the faith, the truth, is unignorable. It is all a fake, that it is all a fake, and just a movie, and the actor, fake-whipped and fake-beat and fake-cruxified yet still lives, unscathed, un-scarred, and rich as Rockefeller, among us -- a mere actor, with manicures and pedicures and hair salon bills.

[Mamzelle]

I saw that Scarborough show with Rabbi Lapin (who had that good line about pogroms in Pittsburgh)...but also with Jackie Mason. I've been a long fan of his, thought he'd bring a little sense to the exchange, but he was surprisingly bad-tempered and called Gibson irresponsible for making the movie.

I really liked that scrapper from the Catholic League...

[Iberian]

Are you telling me that all 472 Jews in Brit land are going to walk on this issue? wow. OK film will gross 1 Billion when its said and done, the sales market are incredible here. 10 copies in every church in the world, 2 copies in every rehab facility, 40 copies in every Blockbuster and the list goes on and on.

We on the other hand are worried about Brit Jews, give me a brake.

Oh I forgot 10 copies in every Catholic/Christian?Theological organizations in the planet.
1 copy for the space station (just in case).
and of course the big one, Everyone that sees it will buy a personal copy.
I am not a religious person, but the marketing upside of the flick is very good.

[elbucko]

Mel Gibson's movie, "The Patriot", cast the British in a cruel and villainous context. I don't remember the Queen or PM Tony Blair being upset.

The Jews of today are no more complicit in Christ's death, 2000 years ago, than the British of today are complicit in the American Revolution over 200 years ago.

[Tempest]

Too funny. So they just recycled the same speech in which they're using here in the states to denounce the film.

I imagine that they'll have to fine tune and tack on some other nastiness, because that schtick ain't working here either.

[N. Theknow]

Just got off the phone with my Mom who is 88 years old.

She went to see the Passion of Christ yesterday and it was her first trip to a movie theater since the premiere of My Fair Lady.

HairOfTheDog was concerned as we discussed on a thread yesterday about a woman having a heart attack during a showing of thePassion at a theater in the midwest.

I will talk to her at length later but I thought I would give you some of her interesting thoughts.

Mel Gibson was truer to the Gospels than Cecil B. Demille was to the Book of Exodus. Most people might not get the connection to Genesis 3:15 during the movie but it is unmistakable. He shall wound your heel, but you shall wound his head." There were a lot of other scripture reference3s that people might not get. Both old and New Testaments.

If Jewish people are upset about this they are looking for an excuse to be upset. The line, "His blood is on us" was not in the movie and that would be the only reason why someone might come away from it with anti-semitic feelings.

Gory? No, I have spent 88 years trying to visualize how awful the cross and the flogging would have been. All my life I have been prepared to see how brutal mankind can be.

As a Latin teacher she had several comments on that. I will probably start a thread for her experience if you find this interesting.