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WAKE UP FREEPERS! GUN LOCK AMENDMENT ATTACHED - AND IT'S WORSE THAN THE AW BAN!
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Posted on 02/26/2004 9:29:09 AM PST by RockChucker

Edited on 07/19/2004 2:13:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Senator Barbara Boxer's amendment to the Gun Manufacturers Liability Bill (still pending) has passed.

Her amendment mandates (according to what was stated during debate) that guns MUST, by force of Federal Law, be locked when stored in a home.

If you don't properly lock your guns, you pay $2,500 fine and lose your right to own firearms.


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KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; bang; banglist; gunlocks
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To: El Gato
I believe it woud be new models only...much like the seat belt laws. You don't have to wear a seat belt...if your car was manufactured before they were required.

Hmmm, I wonder if someday trigger locks will be required to be used, like seat belts are now? uh-huh.
301 posted on 02/26/2004 10:26:48 PM PST by FBD (...Please press 2 for English...for Espanol, please stay on the line...)
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To: kipj
Faxing Byrd and Rockafellow is a total waste of time

Maybe Byrd would read it if you wrote it on a new sheet (appropriately tailored of course).

302 posted on 02/26/2004 10:29:02 PM PST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Sir_Ed
I agree. Politics is the art of the (principled) compromise, and if we have to let the Demos do their little war dance of victory, so they can say to their constituents

The NRA and most Republicans have been making that same argument since about 1934, prior to which there essentially were no federal anti-gun laws.

303 posted on 02/26/2004 10:31:14 PM PST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: FBD
I believe it woud be new models only...much like the seat belt laws. You don't have to wear a seat belt...if your car was manufactured before they were required.

I don't think that would satisfy the nannies. Guns last a heck of a lot longer than cars. My fathers pump shotgun, a Sears JC Higgens "house brand", is still useable, and he bought it before I was born, and I'm in my mid 50s. (and it has seen rough use, the stock is cracked, and much of the bluing is gone, but it still works).

304 posted on 02/26/2004 10:50:44 PM PST by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Dead Corpse
"It wasn't Feinstein. It was Boxer."

I believe they are talking about the next amendment to this bill, which IS Feinstein's.
305 posted on 02/26/2004 11:43:50 PM PST by SendShaqtoIraq
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To: potlatch

306 posted on 02/27/2004 1:51:42 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (The Democrats believe in CHOICE. I have chosen to vote STRAIGHT TICKET GOP for years !!)
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To: Johnny_Cipher
When you have incontrovertible proof that the metal (and the ore the metal came from), screws, plastic, machine tools, bluing compound, smelter, Parkerizing equipment, skilled workers, trucks, mail service, telephone service, electrical service, gas service, etc. that comprise and/or are needed to manufacture a firearm all come from the same state, then you might have a valid beef. Realistically, some part of every manufactured product originates either directly or indirectly in "the several states". No man is an island, nor is any manufacturer.

Until I see incontrivertible proof that this is what the Founders intended (an it will have to run counter to a substantial body of available evidence that it does not), I will keep my "beef", thank you.

307 posted on 02/27/2004 5:11:58 AM PST by tacticalogic (Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: MeekOneGOP
if it's LOCKED, and a burglar breaks into my house and kills me and rapes my wife because I couldn't use my 'LOCKED' gun, can my heirs sue the Federal Government for 'protecting' the burglar (disarming me) ?? ....

BTTT....absolutely ridiculous!

308 posted on 02/27/2004 5:18:53 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Text of Boxer Amendment
309 posted on 02/27/2004 5:52:46 AM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: RockChucker; bang_list

TEXT of BOXER/KOHL Amendment

SA 2622. Mr. KOHL proposed an amendment to amendment SA 2620 submitted by Mrs. BOXER to the bill S.

[Page: S1697] GPO's PDF 1805, to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages resulting from the misuse of their products by others; as follows:

In lieu of the matter proposed to be inserted, insert the following:

TITLE II--CHILD SAFETY LOCKS
SEC. 201. SHORT TITLE.

This title may be cited as the ``Child Safety Lock Act of 2004''.

SEC. 202. PURPOSES.

The purposes of this title are--

(1) to promote the safe storage and use of handguns by consumers;

(2) to prevent unauthorized persons from gaining access to or use of a handgun, including children who may not be in possession of a handgun; and

(3) to avoid hindering industry from supplying firearms to law abiding citizens for all lawful purposes, including hunting, self-defense, collecting, and competitive or recreational shooting.

SEC. 203. FIREARMS SAFETY.

(a) UNLAWFUL ACTS.--

(1) MANDATORY TRANSFER OF SECURE GUN STORAGE OR SAFETY DEVICE.--Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting at the end the following:

``(z) SECURE GUN STORAGE OR SAFETY DEVICE.--

``(1) IN GENERAL.--Except as provided under paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed dealer to sell, deliver, or transfer any handgun to any person other than any person licensed under this chapter, unless the transferee is provided with a secure gun storage or safety device (as defined in section 921(a)(34)) for that handgun.

``(2) EXCEPTIONS.--Paragraph (1) shall not apply to--

``(A)(i) the manufacture for, transfer to, or possession by, the United States, a department or agency of the United States, a State, or a department, agency, or political subdivision of a State, of a handgun; or

``(ii) the transfer to, or possession by, a law enforcement officer employed by an entity referred to in clause (i) of a handgun for law enforcement purposes (whether on or off duty); or

``(B) the transfer to, or possession by, a rail police officer employed by a rail carrier and certified or commissioned as a police officer under the laws of a State of a handgun for purposes of law enforcement (whether on or off duty);

``(C) the transfer to any person of a handgun listed as a curio or relic by the Secretary pursuant to section 921(a)(13); or

``(D) the transfer to any person of a handgun for which a secure gun storage or safety device is temporarily unavailable for the reasons described in the exceptions stated in section 923(e), if the licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, or licensed dealer delivers to the transferee within 10 calendar days from the date of the delivery of the handgun to the transferee a secure gun storage or safety device for the handgun.

``(3) LIABILITY FOR USE.--

``(A) IN GENERAL.--Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a person who has lawful possession and control of a handgun, and who uses a secure gun storage or safety device with the handgun, shall be entitled to immunity from a qualified civil liability action.

``(B) PROSPECTIVE ACTIONS.--A qualified civil liability action may not be brought in any Federal or State court.

``(C) DEFINED TERM.--As used in this paragraph, the term `qualified civil liability action'--

``(i) means a civil action brought by any person against a person described in subparagraph (A) for damages resulting from the criminal or unlawful misuse of the handgun by a third party, if--

``(I) the handgun was accessed by another person who did not have the permission or authorization of the person having lawful possession and control of the handgun to have access to it; and

``(II) at the time access was gained by the person not so authorized, the handgun had been made inoperable by use of a secure gun storage or safety device; and

``(ii) shall not include an action brought against the person having lawful possession and control of the handgun for negligent entrustment or negligence per se.''.

(b) CIVIL PENALTIES.--Section 924 of title 18, United States Code, is amended--

(1) in subsection (a)(1), by striking ``or (f)'' and inserting ``(f), or (p)''; and

(2) by adding at the end the following:

``(p) PENALTIES RELATING TO SECURE GUN STORAGE OR SAFETY DEVICE.--

``(1) IN GENERAL.--

``(A) SUSPENSION OR REVOCATION OF LICENSE; CIVIL PENALTIES.--With respect to each violation of section 922(z)(1) by a licensed manufacturer, licensed importer, or licensed dealer, the Secretary may, after notice and opportunity for hearing--

``(i) suspend for not more than 6 months, or revoke, the license issued to the licensee under this chapter that was used to conduct the firearms transfer; or

``(ii) subject the licensee to a civil penalty in an amount equal to not more than $2,500.

``(B) REVIEW.--An action of the Secretary under this paragraph may be reviewed only as provided under section 923(f).

``(2) ADMINISTRATIVE REMEDIES.--The suspension or revocation of a license or the imposition of a civil penalty under paragraph (1) shall not preclude any administrative remedy that is otherwise available to the Secretary.''.

(c) LIABILITY; EVIDENCE.--

(1) LIABILITY.--Nothing in this title shall be construed to--

(A) create a cause of action against any Federal firearms licensee or any other person for any civil liability; or

(B) establish any standard of care.

(2) EVIDENCE.--Notwithstanding any other provision of law, evidence regarding compliance or noncompliance with the amendments made by this title shall not be admissible as evidence in any proceeding of any court, agency, board, or other entity, except with respect to an action relating to section 922(z) of title 18, United States Code, as added by this section.

(3) RULE OF CONSTRUCTION.--Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to bar a governmental action to impose a penalty under section 924(p) of title 18, United States Code, for a failure to comply with section 922(z) of that title.

SEC. 204. EFFECTIVE DATE.

This title and the amendments made by this title shall take effect 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act.

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I THINK KOHL'S AMENDMENT TOOK OUT THE CPSC - BUT I'M NOT 100% SURE ON THAT

310 posted on 02/27/2004 6:25:22 AM PST by Dan from Michigan ("You know it don't come easy, the road of the gypsy" - Iron Eagle)
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To: Dan from Michigan
Thanks for posting that Dan. My link expires after a few minutes. I wasn't aware that they did that.
311 posted on 02/27/2004 6:29:44 AM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Dan from Michigan
``(A) IN GENERAL.--Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a person who has lawful possession and control of a handgun, and who uses a secure gun storage or safety device with the handgun, shall be entitled to immunity from a qualified civil liability action.

``(B) PROSPECTIVE ACTIONS.--A qualified civil liability action may not be brought in any Federal or State court.

``(C) DEFINED TERM.--As used in this paragraph, the term `qualified civil liability action'--

``(i) means a civil action brought by any person against a person described in subparagraph (A) for damages resulting from the criminal or unlawful misuse of the handgun by a third party, if--

``(I) the handgun was accessed by another person who did not have the permission or authorization of the person having lawful possession and control of the handgun to have access to it; and

``(II) at the time access was gained by the person not so authorized, the handgun had been made inoperable by use of a secure gun storage or safety device; and

``(ii) shall not include an action brought against the person having lawful possession and control of the handgun for negligent entrustment or negligence per se.''.

Looks to me that this is one step away from making non-use of Gun Locks an actionable offense.
312 posted on 02/27/2004 6:39:49 AM PST by RockChucker
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To: RockChucker
Senate RollCall Gun Lawsuits

The roll call by which the Senate voted 70-27 on Thursday to require safety locks on all handguns sold in the United States. The requirement is part of a bill that protects gun makers and distributors from lawsuits arising from gun crimes.

On this vote, a yes vote was a vote to include the gun lock measure and a no vote was a vote against adding the proposal.

Voting yes were 44 Democrats, 25 Republicans and one independent.

Voting no were 2 Democrats and 25 Republicans.

Alabama

Sessions (R) No; Shelby (R) No.

Alaska

Murkowski (R) Yes; Stevens (R) Yes.

Arizona

Kyl (R) No; McCain (R) Yes.

Arkansas

Lincoln (D) Yes; Pryor (D) Yes.

California

Boxer (D) Yes; Feinstein (D) Yes.

Colorado

Allard (R) No; Campbell (R) Not Voting.

Connecticut

Dodd (D) Yes; Lieberman (D) Yes.

Delaware

Biden (D) Yes; Carper (D) Yes.

Florida

Graham (D) Yes; Nelson (D) Yes.

Georgia

Chambliss (R) No; Miller (D) No.

Hawaii

Akaka (D) Yes; Inouye (D) Yes.

Idaho

Craig (R) No; Crapo (R) No.

Illinois

Durbin (D) Yes; Fitzgerald (R) Yes.

Indiana

Bayh (D) Yes; Lugar (R) Yes.

Iowa

Grassley (R) Yes; Harkin (D) Yes.

Kansas

Brownback (R) Yes; Roberts (R) Yes.

Kentucky

Bunning (R) No; McConnell (R) Yes.

Louisiana

Breaux (D) Yes; Landrieu (D) Yes.

Maine

Collins (R) Yes; Snowe (R) Yes.

Maryland

Mikulski (D) Yes; Sarbanes (D) Yes.

Massachusetts

Kennedy (D) Yes; Kerry (D) Not Voting.

Michigan

Levin (D) Yes; Stabenow (D) Yes.

Minnesota

Coleman (R) Yes; Dayton (D) Yes.

Mississippi

Cochran (R) Yes; Lott (R) No.

Missouri

Bond (R) No; Talent (R) No.

Montana

Baucus (D) Yes; Burns (R) No.

Nebraska

Hagel (R) Yes; Nelson (D) Yes.

Nevada

Ensign (R) No; Reid (D) Yes.

New Hampshire

Gregg (R) Yes; Sununu (R) Yes.

New Jersey

Corzine (D) Yes; Lautenberg (D) Yes.

New Mexico

Bingaman (D) Yes; Domenici (R) Yes.

New York

Clinton (D) Yes; Schumer (D) Yes.

North Carolina

Dole (R) No; Edwards (D) Not Voting.

North Dakota

Conrad (D) Yes; Dorgan (D) Yes.

Ohio

DeWine (R) Yes; Voinovich (R) Yes.

Oklahoma

Inhofe (R) No; Nickles (R) No.

Oregon

Smith (R) Yes; Wyden (D) Yes.

Pennsylvania

Santorum (R) Yes; Specter (R) No.

Rhode Island

Chafee (R) Yes; Reed (D) Yes.

South Carolina

Graham (R) No; Hollings (D) Yes.

South Dakota

Daschle (D) Yes; Johnson (D) No.

Tennessee

Alexander (R) No; Frist (R) Yes.

Texas

Cornyn (R) No; Hutchison (R) Yes.

Utah

Bennett (R) No; Hatch (R) No.

Vermont

Jeffords (I) Yes; Leahy (D) Yes.

Virginia

Allen (R) No; Warner (R) Yes.

Washington

Cantwell (D) Yes; Murray (D) Yes.

West Virginia

Byrd (D) Yes; Rockefeller (D) Yes.

Wisconsin

Feingold (D) Yes; Kohl (D) Yes.

Wyoming

Enzi (R) No; Thomas (R) No.


313 posted on 02/27/2004 6:49:59 AM PST by RickofEssex
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To: RockChucker
Just like they enforce the Federal ban on 15 & 31/32" long shotguns.

Actually, I believe the federally-dictated minimum barrel length for a shotgun is 18 inches (16 inches is for rifles). There's also a minimum over-all length - which is what cost Randy Weaver the lives of two family members.

Gotta watch those tiny fractions of an inch...

;>)

314 posted on 02/27/2004 3:28:13 PM PST by Who is John Galt? ("Never bring a taco to a gunfight..." Sans-Culotte, 02/26/2004)
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To: Who is John Galt?
Congratulations?

Har! Hope I don't win a new gun lock.

315 posted on 02/27/2004 4:19:59 PM PST by Free Trapper (One with courage is often a majority.)
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To: Free Trapper
Har! Hope I don't win a new gun lock.

So long as the government can't require a $10,000 "gun lock" with each firearms purchase, we'll be OK. When I was living in the Peoples Republik of Kalifornia, someone (State, or LA county) passed a law requiring "gun locks" with firearms purchases. The gun stores cheerfully complied: they provided plastic "gun locks" that all used the same 'key' (a '2-pin' thingy that looked like an FAL front sight tool, or SKS stock bolt tool), and must have cost at least 50 cents each. Fine by me: I already had a half dozen Master trigger locks (all keyed the same - but using a real key ;>), some home made cable locks, and a gun safe. In other words, I didn't actually need the D@mocrat 'nanny state' to look out for me...

;>)

316 posted on 02/28/2004 12:53:27 PM PST by Who is John Galt? ("Never bring a taco to a gunfight..." Sans-Culotte, 02/26/2004)
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To: Who is John Galt?; Myrddin
Check out Myrddin's post #193.

They'll make things bad for us one way or another,if they can.

317 posted on 02/28/2004 1:07:20 PM PST by Free Trapper (One with courage is often a majority.)
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To: Who is John Galt?; Myrddin
Scratch #193 and try #229,sorry,no sleep.
318 posted on 02/28/2004 1:11:24 PM PST by Free Trapper (One with courage is often a majority.)
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To: Free Trapper
California already mandates that only state approved gun locks can be sold with a firearm AND that the firearm can not be sold without the lock. There are people who could not take delivery of firearms for which the had paid and waited the mandated "waiting period". Some have had to pay again and wait again because of a shortage of "approved" locks. This legislation opens the door to killing off handgun sales by choking off the supply of "approved" locks OR never issuing an approved design.

He's right - if the only officially-approved "locks" are not available, or cost $10,000 each, you will have a de facto ban on handgun purchases...

319 posted on 02/28/2004 1:14:31 PM PST by Who is John Galt? ("Never bring a taco to a gunfight..." Sans-Culotte, 02/26/2004)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
So far all I have been able to read about it is that it requires a gun lock to be sold with all handguns.

This is already law in some states. So the dealer sells a lock with the gun, then the buyer returns the lock for a refund before leaving the store, everybody's happy.

320 posted on 02/28/2004 1:18:30 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (No anchovies!)
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