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Cleland's Time At The Front
Various | Hon

Posted on 02/23/2004 11:18:54 AM PST by Hon

Sen. Joseph Maxwell Cleland

Sen. Max Cleland, U.S. senator from Georgia, served in the Army from 1965 to 1968 and as a Signal Corps officer from Oct. 18, 1967 to Dec. 23, 1968 in Vietnam, where he was severely wounded in a grenade explosion. Sen. Cleland was an aide to then-BG Tom Rienzi at Fort Monmouth, N.J., when he volunteered for duty with 1st Air Cavalry Division in Vietnam. First assigned to 1st Cavalry’s Signal battalion, CPT Cleland then volunteered as communications officer for 2d Battalion, 12th Cavalry, which had been chosen for Operation Pegasus – the relief of Khe Sanh – in April 1968. CPT Cleland was on a mountaintop with his Signal team to set up a radio relay when he lost his legs and right arm to a grenade explosion. For Khe Sanh he received the Bronze Star for meritorious service and Silver Star for gallantry in action.

http://www.gordon.army.mil/ocos/rdiv/REGTNCO/cleland.asp

From Khe San Chronology 1962-1972:

Apr 1 [1968] - Operation PEGASUS begins; 2/1 and 2/3 (1st Marines) attack west from Ca Lu along Route 9. Elements of 3d Bde, 1st ACD conduct helo assaults into LZ Mike and Cates. Joint engineer task force begins repair of Route 9 from Ca Lu to Khe Sanh.

Apr 3 - 2d Bde, 1st ACD assaults LZs Tom and Wharton.

Apr 4 - 1/5 CavSqd moves northwest from LZ Wharton and attacks enemy units near old French fort; 1st Battalion, 9th Marines moves southeast from rock quarry and assaults Hill 471.

Apr 5 - 1/9 repulses enemy counterattack on Hill 471 and kills 122 North Vietnamese. 1st Bde, 1st ACD departs Ca Lu and assaults LZ Snapper.

Apr 6 - One company of 3d ARVN Airborne Task Force airlifted to KSCB for the initial link up with defenders. Elements of 2d Bde, 1st ACD relieve 1st Battalion, 9th Marines on Hill 471; 1/9 commences sweep to northwest toward Hill 689.

1st Bde, 1st ACD helilifted north of KSCB. 2/26 and 3/26 push north of combat base; Company G, 2/26 engages enemy force and kills 48 NVA.

Apr 8 - 2/7 CavSqd links up with 26th Marines and conducts official relief of combat base. 1/26 attacks to the west. 3d ARVN Airborne Task Force air assaults into LZ Snake west of Khe Sanh and kills 78 North Vietnamese.

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/4867/timeline.html

From Doxagora (a post that is meant to be very laudatory of Cleland):

While an aide [to a general] at Forth Monmouth, NJ, Cleland volunteered for a combat tour with the 1st Air Cavalry Division. Once in-theatre, then-Captain Cleland volunteered for a post as communications officer with 2d Battalion, 12th Cavalry in April, 1968. This is meaningful because Cleland knowingly volunteered for Operation PEGASUS.

Some context: At 5:30 AM on January 21st, an NVA artillery barrage hammered away at the forward base of Khe Sanh in what would prove to be a grim foreshadowing of the Tet Offensive, nine days away. By February, enemy fire made it impossible to supply Khe Sanh by C-130, and the military was forced to use paradrops and helicopters in concert with sustained attacks against NVA anti-air emplacements. Outside Khe Sanh, 20,000 NVA soldiers prepared for assault, testing Marine lines with hundreds of men at a time.

Operation PEGASUS was an air assault operation designed to break the back of the NVA at Khe Sanh. 2d Battalion, 12th Cavalry was one of the first two forces into the area, landing on April 1st at LZ WHARTON, just south of a ruined French fort (used by the NVA as the main stronghold for their attacks on the Marines) and the road leading north to Khe Sanh. 2/12 Cav and 1/5 Cav secured WHARTON, which would serve as the staging area for the assault on the fort.

On April 4, two days before the 2/5 Cav attacked the fort from LZ WHARTON, Cleland won his Silver Star. Cleland was at the battalion command post at WHARTON when NVA forces began a rocket and mortar barrage in an attempt to dislodge the Americans from their position. According to Cleland's Silver Star Order:


Capt. Cleland, disregarding his own safety, exposed himself to the rocket barrage as he left his covered position to administer first aid to his wounded comrades. He then assisted in moving the injured personnel to covered positions. Continuing to expose himself, Capt. Cleland organized his men into a work party to repair the battalion communications equipment which had been damaged by enemy fire. His gallant action is in keeping with the highest traditions of the military service, and reflects great credit upon himself, his unit, and the United States Army.

Three days later, the Old French Fort fell. On April 8, American forces set up within the defenses of Khe Sanh. 2/7 Cav moved from LZ THOR (east of WHARTON) and cleared a road to Khe Sanh, allowing American forces to link up with the Marines in the base.

Cleland was ordered to set up a radio relay on a nearby mountain. He and his signals team were airlifted to the site. While disembarking from the helicopter, Cleland saw a grenade that he thought had fallen from his webbing. Cleland tells what happened:

On April 8, 1968, I volunteered for one last mission. The helicopter moved in low. The troops jumped out with M16 rifles in hand as we crouched low to the ground to avoid the helicopter blades. Then I saw the grenade. It was where the chopper had lifted off. It must be mine, I thought. Grenades had fallen off my web gear before. Shifting the M16 to my left hand and holding it behind me, I bent down to pick up the grenade.

A blinding explosion threw me backwards.

The grenade turned out to belong to an inexperienced soldier who had incorrectly set the pin for a hair-trigger detonation.

Seven days later, Operation PEGASUS was ended as the NVA was forced out of the area. From the beginning of the siege to the end of PEGASUS, 730 Americans were killed in action, 2,642 were wounded, and 7 were officially classified as missing in action. A few months later, Khe Sanh was officially abandoned.

Although Cleland's injury occurred in a combat zone, during general combat operations, Cleland was not eligible for a Purple Heart, as his injury did not occur while in direct combat with the enemy. ("Friendly fire" injuries qualify for the Purple Heart only if the fire was directed at an enemy.)

http://www.doxagora.com/


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To: familyofman
For pity sakes - quit going after our servicemen & women - have you no shame?

You have to understand that there are 'conservatives' on FR who, if the Democrats nominated Jesus, would immediately begin to nudge each other and crack jokes about Mary Magdelene.

21 posted on 02/23/2004 11:39:55 AM PST by Grut
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To: Hon
I know that many here appreciate the research you've been doing. If one looks at all the posts you've been contributing and all the different areas you've investigated, it is very clear that you aren't posting this information with a vindictive spirit.
22 posted on 02/23/2004 11:40:07 AM PST by Tamzee (Hey, Bush supporting lurkers! Create an account and speak up! This is a critical year for the USA!)
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To: Hon
Don't kid yourself. The leftie/socialist/commie/evil dums are looking for some soldier that will rape someone. They have already started the dirty stories of "returning women soldiers" talking of rapes by fellow soldiers. That's tricky. brings up the women in combat thing.
23 posted on 02/23/2004 11:40:11 AM PST by marty60
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To: Hon
His Silver Star is earned, glad of his service.
24 posted on 02/23/2004 11:41:55 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Bush Bot by choice)
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To: Hon
I do object to some of his self-portrayals, which would make him out to be Audie Murphy and Sargent York combined.

This is the problem I have with the whole situation, and a lot of it is not of Cleland's making. Others are distorting the record to advance their own political agendas. Cleland should disavow any attempts to make the circumstances of his injuries out to be more than they were. If he does not do this, if he willingly allows others to distort the record as it regards him, then he should be held accountable for that failing. But, I think he himself has been fairly above-board in disavowing any "heroism" act. It is true that he spilled blood and left limbs on the battlefield, but it was the result of an unfortunate accident, not enemy action.

Fact is, Max Cleland was elected to the Senate by his fellow citizens. As far as I know he served honorably there, although I think he may have tainted his career, as everyone else did who did so, by his defense of President Scumbag. In the end, he compiled a voting record that was at odds with what a majority of his voting constituents wanted, so he was sent home. That should be the issue wrt Max Cleland. We aren't going to get a lot of traction picking over his war record.

25 posted on 02/23/2004 11:42:13 AM PST by chimera
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To: wtc911
"All I know about you here is your consistant attacks on the service records of Kerry and Cleland. You need to find another bone to gnaw on."

Since this is my first mention of Cleland, that is an interesting bit of knowledge. But here are some other threads I've started, for your edification:

Bush met military obligation [Bush Was At Alabama Base, Says Ex-Guardsman ]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1076545/posts

Debunking The Bush AWOL Story - From The Horse's Mouth
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1073076/posts

Democrats (And Other Frenchmen) On Iraq's Weapons Of Mass Destruction
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1066882/posts

John "Flip Flop" Kerry On Missile Defense
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1082842/posts

Kerry Championed The Nuclear Freeze Movement
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1082283/posts

Kerry Re Packwood Sex Scandal: "We Are Not Going To Cover Up... No Double Standard"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1077529/posts

KERRY'S DEFENSE STRATEGY: CUT CRITICAL WEAPONS SYSTEMS
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1083528/posts

Kerry: Citizenship For Anyone In US For Five Years
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1067615/posts

Lewinsky Sworn Affadavit: "I have never had a sexual relationship with the President"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1078277/posts

Man Behind Bush AWOL Charge Is John Edwards Supporter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1071983/posts

Michael Moore: "Clark Is The Butcher Of Kosovo" [But We Need Him To Butcher Bush]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1064009/posts

Officer Who Claims W Discarded Records Is A Bush-Hating Crackpot
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1076243/posts

Reporter Who Made Up AWOL Story Has History Of Libeling GOP Candidates
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1074224/posts

Retired general: Enough on Bush [Gen. Turnipseed Alert]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1083233/posts

Teresa Heinz Kerry Funded Group Calls For Censure Of Bush
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1079318/posts

The Heinz Endowments have teamed up with a secretive left-wing group [Mrs. Kerry Is A Commie]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1077429/posts

The Most Decorated Unit In Vietnam Was A National Guard Unit
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1076006/posts

Whopper of the Week: John KerryDid he pretend to be Irish?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1063174/posts

26 posted on 02/23/2004 11:43:42 AM PST by Hon
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To: Robe; Travis McGee
I've never held a real grenade. Can you tell me if the "hair trigger" thing is BS. I have a hard time believing that they would allow a grenade to be built that wasn't "GI" proof. A settable grenade?!

Seems the story Robe tells has more of a ring of truth to it.
27 posted on 02/23/2004 11:44:17 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig ( I went to the gun show today and saw an Sharpton for President sticker on a truck. Seriously dude.)
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To: Hon
"...I have simply compiled material.."

And, your compilation is being used in a very disgraceful manner. I spit on you and all others that want to belittle the service others have given to our country. You are a snake and your venom can only hurt those you are trying to help.
28 posted on 02/23/2004 11:46:12 AM PST by familyofman
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To: optimistically_conservative
"Your headline is misleading, not sure the battle for Khe Sahn can be considered the limit of Cleland's "front-line" experience in Vietnam. I've also done some research on this."

Instead of giving me a bunch of links that do not clearly say how my headline is misleading, maybe you could just spell it out in plain English.
29 posted on 02/23/2004 11:46:27 AM PST by Hon
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To: Gippers Brigade
Ann Coulter is braver and more of a hero than that pseudo-patriot cleland. how dare he expolit his 3 lost limbs for political gain, has he no shame?

Right on! And no shame means DemocRAT.

30 posted on 02/23/2004 11:47:02 AM PST by Digger
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To: bobo1
I agree with you, Hon. If these jokers are so anxious to trade on their military careers for political gain, then it becomes the responsibility of their opponents to point out inconsistencies. Also, Cleland forfeits any so-called "sympathy" treatment when he trafficks in his missing limbs.

Kerry uses his service record as a shield to protect him from question about his conduct in Vietnam Vets Against War, his testimony to congress, his relationship with Jane Fonda, and his 6500 votes over 19 years in the Senate. Give me a break.

And one more thing. I'm sick & tired of hearing the disclaimer "We aren't questioning his patriotism but...". We need to be questioning his patriotism. He has gotten our service men & women killed. He gave aid and comfort to the enemy then and he is giving aid and comfort to the enemy now. To HELL with Kerry.

And I've never heard a hero BRAG about his combat record. Just isn't done.
31 posted on 02/23/2004 11:47:37 AM PST by johnb838 (Phoney Medals, Real-life Traitor, J. Effing Kerry, Esq.)
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To: familyofman
"And, your compilation is being used in a very disgraceful manner."

Really? How? What have I or anyone else posted that is not true?

If I have posted something erroneous, I would be more than happy to correct it.
32 posted on 02/23/2004 11:48:02 AM PST by Hon
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To: Hon
This sets up the Democrat response: "That's Eight Days more than Bush did."
33 posted on 02/23/2004 11:49:04 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: big ern
The "hair trigger" thing is a misnomer.

First, it takes some understanding how grenades were attached to web gear at the time.

Second, it takes some familiarization with how the grenade's cotter pin is inserted and "hooked".

Third, it takes some familiarization with how the spoon is held in place and the cook off period of the grenade.

I'll see if I can find you some references.
34 posted on 02/23/2004 11:49:04 AM PST by optimistically_conservative (This tagline recently seen at Taglinus FreeRepublicus)
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To: Wheee The People
The man made something of his life after such egregious wounds. How he managed to lose his soul is another story.

Evidently national security is not something of great import to democrats, even after 9/11.

What a pity.

35 posted on 02/23/2004 11:49:54 AM PST by OldFriend (Always understand, even if you remain among the few)
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To: bobo1
After a nautical maneuver that put his crew in grave danger (i.e., headed into rather than out of range of hostile fire), JF'ing Kerry abandoned his water craft & crew, ran ashore and shot a wounded, fleeing (cowering?) Viet Cong (likely) in the back. Is that likely war crime the heroic act upon which you determine he is a hero?

Do you have access to the written recommendation that described his actions and got him his Silver Star? I'd like to see it.
36 posted on 02/23/2004 11:51:04 AM PST by NutmegDevil
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To: Hon
thanks for all your posts, keep up the good work.
37 posted on 02/23/2004 11:52:23 AM PST by cd jones
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To: Hon
Instead of giving me a bunch of links that do not clearly say how my headline is misleading, maybe you could just spell it out in plain English.

Sure, first would you please identify the where the "front", FLOT or FEBA was located for combat operations in Vietnam during the year Cleland was in Vietnam.

Second, would you provide a chronology of actions that occurred in Vietnam during that year that the 1st Cav, and specifically Cleland, did not participate.

Third, could you explain which of the eight days between 1-8 April, 1968, Cleland was "at the front" and which ones he was not.

38 posted on 02/23/2004 11:52:48 AM PST by optimistically_conservative (This tagline recently seen at Taglinus FreeRepublicus)
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To: Hon
What about my sincere question of your service of volunteering for hazardous duty while in uniform?
39 posted on 02/23/2004 11:53:13 AM PST by wtc911 (I got the motive which is money and the body which is dead.)
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To: All
I hope nobody objects if I post this information from the FEC:

FONDA, JANE
ATLANTA, GA 30303
ACTRESS

   CLELAND, JOSEPH MAXWELL
    VIA FRIENDS OF MAX CLELAND FOR THE US SENATE INC
08/12/1998 500.00 99020022593
08/05/1999 200.00 20020030938

FONDA, JANE
,
ACTRESS

   CLELAND, JOSEPH MAXWELL
    VIA FRIENDS OF MAX CLELAND FOR THE US SENATE INC
06/18/2001 300.00 22020020708
06/18/2001 1000.00 22020020709

FONDA, JANE
ATLANTA, GA 30303
ENTERTAINER

   CLINTON, HILLARY RODHAM
    VIA HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON FOR US SENATE COMMITTEE INC
08/23/2000 1000.00 20020272318
08/23/2000 1000.00 20020272318

FONDA, JANE
ATLANTA, GA 31107
ACTRESS

   CLELAND, JOSEPH MAXWELL
    VIA FRIENDS OF MAX CLELAND FOR THE US SENATE INC
06/18/2001 300.00 21020131616
06/18/2001 1000.00 21020131616
   DEMOCRATIC SENATORIAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE
06/18/2001 3700.00 21020090269

40 posted on 02/23/2004 11:54:00 AM PST by Hon
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