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The Washington Times ^ | February 23, 2004 | House Editorial

Posted on 02/23/2004 6:28:51 AM PST by xsysmgr

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:41:19 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Next week the U.S. Supreme Court will hear a case to decide whether or not all Americans must have identification on them at all times. The case has been brought by a cowboy in Nevada who was asked to show ID while he was leaning against his pickup truck on the side of the road near his ranch. The police officer did not offer any specific reason why he demanded proof of identity. Having committed no crime, Dudley Hiibel, the cowboy, refused -- and was arrested. He was later convicted for "Delaying a Peace Officer." In America, still a free country, citizens should not be required to provide identification papers at any whim of the authorities.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: billofrights; nationalid; privacy
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To: af_vet_rr
wouldn't even inform the guy of what was going on. "Investigating an investigation" my butt.

Watch the video before spouting false propaganda.

101 posted on 02/23/2004 9:42:55 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: Outlaw76
For one thing, the police would be able to find out of the guy had any prior convictions for domestic assault or other crimes. Or they could find out if he was a wanted criminal.

How many stories have we seen where the cops let a guy go and we found out later he was a wanted criminal? Then everyone blames the cops.
102 posted on 02/23/2004 9:43:01 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: cinFLA
"I've got a report that there has been a fight goin' on between you two."

I admit I missed that part, and that's what I was looking for.

103 posted on 02/23/2004 9:43:50 AM PST by freeeee ("Owning" property in the US just means you have one less landlord)
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To: CJ Wolf
That's what it's all about. It's not about "this case" it's about setting precedence toward this degree.

The state has the right to identify those under investigation. It is NOT a violation of your rights.

104 posted on 02/23/2004 9:44:26 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
Whoa cool. Thanks!
105 posted on 02/23/2004 9:45:02 AM PST by xrp
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To: xrp
See #103.
106 posted on 02/23/2004 9:45:44 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
My dear Sir, you argue with your emotions not your sense of logic; first of all there is no cited law in the state where this took place that requires a resident or traveler to produce I.D. at the request of an officer, second where such laws have been written, they were struck down and held to be unenforcable by defect.

Hiibel was not prosecuted for any crime that took place prior to the stop by the officer because none could be shown to have occurred; he is being hounded for the simple failure (refusal) to produce a document, a piece of paper, a testament sanctioned by the state that validates his existence and right to freely associate.

When did the state gain that power and, should it possess it in a free society?

Long after Hiibel is gone this case will remain; better it is addressed now in this time of high-anxiety than a future where laws are ignored wholesale.

107 posted on 02/23/2004 9:45:48 AM PST by Old Professer
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To: cinFLA
It does go by pretty quick. I missed it and I watched it like six times in a row. Others may have done the same and are not lying on purpose. I wasn't. I honestly missed it.

Seeing the girl bodyslammed kinda makes you focus on other things.

The cops mishandled this one. No matter what angle you look at it from.

108 posted on 02/23/2004 9:47:04 AM PST by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Jack Black
I think you can grasp my point despite my omission of punctuation, unless you're retarded. Sorry I don't sit at a computer typing all day.
109 posted on 02/23/2004 9:48:00 AM PST by Chip_Douglas
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To: AppyPappy
Most criminals aren't convicted on the basis of a piece of paper found on their person; not everyone who is obdurant is a high criminal.
110 posted on 02/23/2004 9:48:11 AM PST by Old Professer
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To: cinFLA
Fine, if that's what you believe you go right ahead and enjoy your chains.

"How we burned in the prison camps later thinking: What would things have been like if every police operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? If during periods of mass arrests people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers or whatever was at hand? The organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt." ---Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Let's see what the court says.

111 posted on 02/23/2004 9:49:37 AM PST by CJ Wolf
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To: Chip_Douglas

"Any time im walking somewhere, the cops stop me and card me."

And every time you submit to the illegal search, you do a disservice to yourself and every other American. Just say "no thank you, officer."

112 posted on 02/23/2004 9:53:02 AM PST by KeepAndBearArms (Is a license to SPEAK agreeable to you, too?)
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To: Old Professer
I didn't say they were. But if "the people" want to be protected from the bad criminals, that's the way it's going to be.
113 posted on 02/23/2004 9:56:06 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Eala
whole damn document.
114 posted on 02/23/2004 9:56:44 AM PST by sauropod (I'm Happy, You're Happy, We're ALL Happy! I'm happier than a pig in excrement. Can't you just tell?)
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To: AppyPappy
"For one thing, the police would be able to find out of the guy had any prior convictions for domestic assault or other crimes. Or they could find out if he was a wanted criminal. "

I'm sorry, but I find that to be a very week reason for demanding his ID in an uncivil and arrogant manner. Again, he could have gotten the information with a much more civilized approach. Your line of reasoning in this is just as valid as allowing the officer to shoot him and find out who he was afterwords, you know, just in case he was an axe murderer or something.

115 posted on 02/23/2004 10:05:44 AM PST by Outlaw76 (Citizens on the Bounce!)
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To: Outlaw76
I'm sorry, but I find that to be a very week reason for demanding his ID in an uncivil and arrogant manner.

You may want to watch the video. The policeman was polite while the other guy was acting like he was ready to come unglued.

116 posted on 02/23/2004 10:07:04 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: cinFLA
If that is the case, rather than what I read, then my post is not relevant to this issue. If it were not an anonymous tipster, then a different light may be cast on the actions of the LEOs involved.
117 posted on 02/23/2004 10:08:32 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: cinFLA
Thanks for standing up for American justice!

American police don't actually say, "Papieren, bitte", so they can't possibly be acting like Nazi officials.

I'll stay tuned for further bulletins re this matter from the Lamp of the Panhandle.
118 posted on 02/23/2004 10:12:46 AM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: cinFLA
"The article doesn't say the sun rose this morning either."

By gosh, you're right---it certainly didn't. However, the sun is not a US citizen, required by the Constitution to be considered INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. If you've got evidence (i.e. newpaper article)--trot it out.

119 posted on 02/23/2004 10:26:50 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: xsysmgr
Here is why it is important for this case to go to the United States Supreme court.

Tape of detention and abuse of 4th and 5th

http://policeabuse.org/Media/car.wav

Here is how some bad LEO's operate

http://policeabuse.org/carthage.html

Website of former LEO who is investigating complaints of bad LEO's

http://policeabuse.org Incidence with man at payphone demanding identification.

Officer Jones continued to demand identification and information about the travel plans of our investigators. When one investigator refused his suggestions the officer stepped to within one foot of our investigators face and put forth a menacing glare for about four minutes.

While our investigator and officer Jones eyed each other a police dispatcher informed the officers that our investigators did not have any warrants and that our driver had a valid license. Officer Jones returned the licenses to our investigators. One investigator then removed a digital camera from his pocket and began to question officer Jones and the comments he made during his investigation. Officer Jones did not want to discuss the matter. He and the other officers quickly turned and walked towards their police vehicles. You may view officer Jones now as he admits to threatening to throw our investigators in jail because they exercised their right to remain silent and because they refused to incriminate themselves.

We returned to the city of Carthage a few days later to file a complaint against the officers and to report the incident that involved our original victims. The police chief was ready for us. After inviting one of our investigators into his office the chief demanded to know whether he was being video or audio tape recorded. Our investigator never answered him. The chief was being recorded. Ultimately, the chief called the city attorney.

After several moments of discussion in front of the Carthage police station the city attorney agreed to a meeting where we presented the information collected during our investigation. We showed the city attorney the tape of officer Jones and others we had investigated over several weeks. We are awaiting the results of the City Attorney's investigation. We will post them to this WebSite when we have received a response from the City Attorneys office.

120 posted on 02/23/2004 10:27:27 AM PST by CHICAGOFARMER (Citizen Carry)
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