Posted on 02/23/2004 6:28:51 AM PST by xsysmgr
Edited on 07/12/2004 3:41:19 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Next week the U.S. Supreme Court will hear a case to decide whether or not all Americans must have identification on them at all times. The case has been brought by a cowboy in Nevada who was asked to show ID while he was leaning against his pickup truck on the side of the road near his ranch. The police officer did not offer any specific reason why he demanded proof of identity. Having committed no crime, Dudley Hiibel, the cowboy, refused -- and was arrested. He was later convicted for "Delaying a Peace Officer." In America, still a free country, citizens should not be required to provide identification papers at any whim of the authorities.
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Watch the video before spouting false propaganda.
I admit I missed that part, and that's what I was looking for.
The state has the right to identify those under investigation. It is NOT a violation of your rights.
Hiibel was not prosecuted for any crime that took place prior to the stop by the officer because none could be shown to have occurred; he is being hounded for the simple failure (refusal) to produce a document, a piece of paper, a testament sanctioned by the state that validates his existence and right to freely associate.
When did the state gain that power and, should it possess it in a free society?
Long after Hiibel is gone this case will remain; better it is addressed now in this time of high-anxiety than a future where laws are ignored wholesale.
Seeing the girl bodyslammed kinda makes you focus on other things.
The cops mishandled this one. No matter what angle you look at it from.
"How we burned in the prison camps later thinking: What would things have been like if every police operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? If during periods of mass arrests people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers or whatever was at hand? The organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt." ---Alexander Solzhenitsyn
Let's see what the court says.
"Any time im walking somewhere, the cops stop me and card me."
And every time you submit to the illegal search, you do a disservice to yourself and every other American. Just say "no thank you, officer."
I'm sorry, but I find that to be a very week reason for demanding his ID in an uncivil and arrogant manner. Again, he could have gotten the information with a much more civilized approach. Your line of reasoning in this is just as valid as allowing the officer to shoot him and find out who he was afterwords, you know, just in case he was an axe murderer or something.
You may want to watch the video. The policeman was polite while the other guy was acting like he was ready to come unglued.
By gosh, you're right---it certainly didn't. However, the sun is not a US citizen, required by the Constitution to be considered INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. If you've got evidence (i.e. newpaper article)--trot it out.
Tape of detention and abuse of 4th and 5th
http://policeabuse.org/Media/car.wav
Here is how some bad LEO's operate
http://policeabuse.org/carthage.html
Website of former LEO who is investigating complaints of bad LEO's
http://policeabuse.org Incidence with man at payphone demanding identification.
Officer Jones continued to demand identification and information about the travel plans of our investigators. When one investigator refused his suggestions the officer stepped to within one foot of our investigators face and put forth a menacing glare for about four minutes.
While our investigator and officer Jones eyed each other a police dispatcher informed the officers that our investigators did not have any warrants and that our driver had a valid license. Officer Jones returned the licenses to our investigators. One investigator then removed a digital camera from his pocket and began to question officer Jones and the comments he made during his investigation. Officer Jones did not want to discuss the matter. He and the other officers quickly turned and walked towards their police vehicles. You may view officer Jones now as he admits to threatening to throw our investigators in jail because they exercised their right to remain silent and because they refused to incriminate themselves.
We returned to the city of Carthage a few days later to file a complaint against the officers and to report the incident that involved our original victims. The police chief was ready for us. After inviting one of our investigators into his office the chief demanded to know whether he was being video or audio tape recorded. Our investigator never answered him. The chief was being recorded. Ultimately, the chief called the city attorney.
After several moments of discussion in front of the Carthage police station the city attorney agreed to a meeting where we presented the information collected during our investigation. We showed the city attorney the tape of officer Jones and others we had investigated over several weeks. We are awaiting the results of the City Attorney's investigation. We will post them to this WebSite when we have received a response from the City Attorneys office.
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