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Survey: Anger Against Bush Growing Louder
AP ^ | 2/22/04 | Nancy Benac

Posted on 02/22/2004 11:10:53 AM PST by anniegetyourgun

WASHINGTON (AP) - In Arizona, Judy Donovan says she feels desperate for a new president. In Tennessee, Robert Wilson says he finds the president revolting. In Washington state, Maria Yurasek says she'd vote for a dog if it could beat President Bush.

(Excerpt) Read more at lasvegassun.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; angrydems; bush; desperatedems; kerry; survey
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To: anniegetyourgun
"Anger is not necessarily a productive emotion when it comes to politics," Luntz said. "The anger against Bill Clinton was so fierce and over the top that it helped him in 1996 and then again during the impeachment in 1998. People got more angry at those yelling at the president than at the president himself. You could easily see the same thing happening here."

Yep.

21 posted on 02/22/2004 11:24:18 AM PST by optimistically_conservative (This tagline recently seen at Taglinus FreeRepublicus)
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To: anniegetyourgun
The last paragraph is very insightful. Anger will lose this election, not win it.
22 posted on 02/22/2004 11:24:31 AM PST by Schattie (-censored-)
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To: anniegetyourgun
John McAdams, a political scientist at Marquette University, said resentment of Bush is particularly strong among liberals who already hold three things against him: "First, he's a conservative. Second, he's a Christian. And third, he's a Texan. When you add all of those things up, that invokes pretty much every symbol of the cultural wars."

In other words they don't simply hate Bush, they hate all of us who are conservative Christians. It is something worth noting. Forewarned is, after all, forearmed.

23 posted on 02/22/2004 11:26:05 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Rome2000
Where was this moron during the Klintoon administration?.

A steady 33% hated Clinton.

If Her Scariness were to run, I'll bet that number jumps to 40%!

24 posted on 02/22/2004 11:26:24 AM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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To: anniegetyourgun
The longer the Demlibrats are out of power, the more desperate they get. This Prez campaign will be another example of liberal outrage, as in crying, whining and bitching. These lefties are an ugly lot!
25 posted on 02/22/2004 11:27:29 AM PST by Reagan Man (The choice is clear. Reelect BUSH-CHENEY in 2004)
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To: anniegetyourgun
Here is my favorite quote:

"A Bush opponent can vote against the president only once in November, no matter how intense the anger. So does it matter how much voters dislike him, if these are people who would have voted against him anyway?"

Hahahaha - they can shove a bunch of punch ballots into a single machine and then get a judge to put the law aside to divine the intent of a bunch of bent chads that only dimpled. The law don't count if you're on the side of "good" versus "evil" Bush Republicans.

26 posted on 02/22/2004 11:28:02 AM PST by rhombus
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To: Schattie
The last paragraph is very insightful. Anger will lose this election, not win it.

The hippies have smoked too much grass.

After all it was the Beatles who sang, "All you need is love, love, love" in a time of war.

27 posted on 02/22/2004 11:28:44 AM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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To: LizardQueen
He's lost a lot of support even here.

Your schtick has been known for a couple of weeks, Lizard Queen.

Punk the Prez- Moby's anti-Bush Tricks

One of Sen. John Kerry's celebrity supporters is ready to pull out all the stops to get him elected. Republicans are shrieking over a suggestion by rocker Moby that Democrats spread gossip about President Bush on the Internet. "No one's talking about how to keep the other side home on Election Day," Moby tells us. "It's a lot easier than you think and it doesn't cost that much. This election can be won by 200,000 votes."

Moby suggests that it's possible to seed doubt among Bush's far-right supporters on the Web.

"You target his natural constituencies," says the Grammy-nominated techno-wizard. "For example, you can go on all the pro-life chat rooms and say you're an outraged right-wing voter and that you know that George Bush drove an ex-girlfriend to an abortion clinic and paid for her to get an abortion.

"Then you go to an anti-immigration Web site chat room and ask, 'What's all this about George Bush proposing amnesty for illegal aliens?'"

Moby didn't claim that he believed the abortion story.

Last month, Bush did propose reforms to immigration policy. But he insisted, "I oppose amnesty, placing undocumented workers on the automatic path to citizenship [because it] perpetuates illegal immigration."

Republican National Committee spokeswoman Christine Iverson likened Moby's proposal to "dirty campaign tactics we're already seeing from John Kerry."

"His campaign was willing to use these kinds of voter suppression tactics against members of his own party in Iowa and New Hampshire," Iverson says. "John Kerry is a hypocrite. He pledged to run a clean campaign. Then he uses the lowest form of gutter politics to impugn his opponents, Democratic and Republican. It's unfortunate but this is probably just the beginning of the kind of tactics we're going to be seeing from John Kerry in the months to come."

Kerry spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter said, "I doubt that Moby was suggesting anybody suppress the vote. We did not use any dirty tactics against any candidate.

"When it comes to dirty tricks the Republic party wrote the book. We've already seen Republican attacks and we haven't even won the nomination yet. The Republican Party is clearly afraid of John Kerry."

LINK

28 posted on 02/22/2004 11:29:12 AM PST by Dane
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To: anniegetyourgun
Does anyone think the Dems will do anything about the borders?
29 posted on 02/22/2004 11:29:58 AM PST by dalebert
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To: LizardQueen
...and the Mexicans are all marching towards the southern border to head home...

Are you saying that this is true or do mean if it was true?

30 posted on 02/22/2004 11:31:59 AM PST by raybbr (My 1.4 cents - It used to be 2 cents, but after taxes - you get the idea.)
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To: anniegetyourgun
I have two observations:

1. The presence of this article as well as a similar NYT article is obviously no coincidence. The new leftist talking point apparently consists of claiming there's a lot of hate out there for Bush, including among those who previously voted for him - and the implication is more votes for Kerry or Edwards. That's patently false: Any dislike of the president's policy will more likely suppress turnout, but no conservative will vote for Kerry instead.

2. Folks who pointed to the fact that the Democrat Party was on the verge of collapse have been proven wrong. Regardless of the AP/NYT's motivation for printing these articles, they do illustrate the larger point that this country is divided and will remain so for the foreseeable future.

31 posted on 02/22/2004 11:35:43 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: anniegetyourgun
Politically naive people in FR are up in arms about one issue or another steering them away from voting for Bush in the upcoming elections, they are being led away from the GOP by politically astute people disguising themselves as "true conservatives" and posting in this forum.

I am giving you at least six solid reasons why it is imperative to stay focused in this upcoming election and not allow a Democrat back in the White House to run as an incumbent in 2008.

William H. Rehnquist, born: October 1, 1924...79 years old.

John Paul Stevens, born: April 20, 1920...83 years old.

Sandra Day O'Connor, born: March 26, 1930...73 years old.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg, born: March 15, 1933...70 years old.

Antonin Scalia, born: March 11, 1936...67 years old.

Anthony M. Kennedy, born: July 23, 1936...67 years old.

Stephen G. Breyer, born: August 15, 1938...65 years old.

David Hackett Souter, born: September 17, 1939...64 years old.

Clarence Thomas, born: June 23, 1948...55 years old.

We are electing the president who will replace at least three Justices in the next four years. Whoever is elected in 2008 will quite possibly replace three more.
32 posted on 02/22/2004 11:37:07 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Unless the world is made safe for Democracy, Democracy won't be safe in the world.)
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To: anniegetyourgun
Why did you excert the article? I haven't read all the way down to see if the full article is posted. The excerpts anymore are tiresome. Am I the only one to feel this way?

MoodyBlu

33 posted on 02/22/2004 11:38:05 AM PST by MoodyBlu
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To: anniegetyourgun
Unfortunately, I believe this AP article does represent a growing hatred of Bush in the US. It has been actively cultivated and nourished by the extreme Bush hating diatribes continually being repeated by the democrat candidates and their wholly owned media, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS, NPR, NY Times, LA Times and most of the rest of the large national press dailies. It is non-stop Bush bashing that has got the people in a frenzy to be rid of Bush. Last week, I returned from a three week trip to AZ, NM and Texas. In all that time I never heard one word of support for Bush, even from so-called republicans. They are angry about the way the war in Iraq seems to have no ending, that our nation has been turned into stop and search wherever they go: public buildings, an airports, near a public utility, etc. but nothing seems to be done about deporting those among us who would do us harm and they are also concerned about continuing illegal immigration and the economy. The fact that the dems would make an even bigger mess on these issues does not register. They are not happy and they want Bush to pay.
The fact that republicans and conservatives do not come to Bush's defense does not help matters. Unless things change rapidly, this president will not be reelected in November.
34 posted on 02/22/2004 11:39:17 AM PST by brydic1
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To: LizardQueen
The bottom line is that the Democrats are a party of hate and fear, specializing in class and age warefare.

They only see the military as a jobs program.

Republicans wave the flag and mean it.

They don't stand by one just for a photo.

In a time of instant gratification, one should remember that the best things come to those who wait.

Bush has initiated a fiscal and economic plan that will result in 40,000,000 new jobs in the next 15 years.

Who could have imagined that the policies that Reagan started in 1981 would result in 40,000,000 new jobs in the two decades that followed?

35 posted on 02/22/2004 11:40:45 AM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (I don't believe anything a Democrat says. Bill Clinton set the standard!)
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To: Stu Cohen
illegal alient amnesty

He has an amnesty proposal?? You're just making that up aren't you? Or are you flat out lying? And what is an alient?

36 posted on 02/22/2004 11:41:03 AM PST by Porterville (Traitors against God, country, family, and benefactors lament their sins in the deepest part of hell)
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To: anniegetyourgun
So how is AP going to explain it when Bush wins again?
37 posted on 02/22/2004 11:42:40 AM PST by McGavin999 (Evil thrives when good men do nothing!)
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To: anniegetyourgun
It's 1992 all over again.
38 posted on 02/22/2004 11:43:15 AM PST by Monty22
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To: LizardQueen
I hear comments made against him here on FR and on other Republican-friendly boards...

Yeah, and I've made some of them. But that's different from this visceral, irrational hatred the left feels for Bush. I don't hate Bush - I just realize that for everything he does that advance the conservative agenda, he'll do a thing or two that advance the liberal agenda. But that's what he said he was going to do during the campaign, so it makes no sense to hate him for that.

No, the left hates Bush because he is the embodiment of the fact that the left is falling apart in this country. Their philosophy is obviously a failure to anyone with a shred of objectivity. Young people are laughing at leftists. Comics and writers from Dave Barry to Dennis Miller to Mark Steyn are skewering them daily. Their irrational positions on the Iraq War and other things connected to the fight against terrorism show that they are disconnected from reality, and most people see that. Leftists are by turns shunned and ridiculed.

And they just can't stand it. After two generations of holding the high ground via their lackeys in the press and academia, they are now losing ground rapidly. Since they believe in their socialist philosophy as a matter of faith, they can't turn their back on it. All they can do is lash out at symbols of their failure. And Bush is the biggest symbol around.

Bush is as innocuous a president in terms of personality that we've had in a long time. But that doesn't matter. He's the symbol of leftist failure, so he's the target of hate. They would rather do that than confront their own failure.

39 posted on 02/22/2004 11:44:41 AM PST by Joe Bonforte
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To: LizardQueen
Well said Lizard Queen. Those who claim principle over one or two specific issues and threatening to sit out need to choose their priorities a little more wisely. Selecting a candidate who is not oneself is always a matter of compromise. There are serveral issues at stake NOT just one or two.

WMD: What is important about WMD is not what we thought we knew or knew we didn't know but Proliferation. Will John Kerry or George Bush do a better job taking nasty toys away from people who hate us?

Jobs?: What would Al Gore and now Kerry have done to prevent the loss of manufacturing jobs? More public programs for public sector jobs over private sector jobs? Thus, higher taxes.

Immigration: Gore? Now Kerry? Ignore it all, at least Bush wants to get their addresses.

Campaign Finance Reform?: Gore/Kerry - CFR only for Republicans probably.

So pick your issues wisely when thinking about sitting the election out or voting the Constitution Party. Principles are admirable. We should challenge our politicians to have more of them. But it is a choice of two forces in America. For me WMD proliferation is important because as my father used to warm me about defensive driving, "You ain't right if your're dead.

40 posted on 02/22/2004 11:46:03 AM PST by rhombus
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