[templar]

I think this is common (having a foreign government spy on American citizens to get around constitutional and legal considerations). I don't think there is anything illegal about it. Why would anyone object to the government violating no laws?

[Lancey Howard]

This sounds like the kind of story the Clintons could offer up.
They would certainly have the inside knowledge.

[jwalsh07]

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[11th Earl of Mar]

Here is something from John Loftus' last column:

Former Federal Prosecutor John Loftus confirms the Bush-Nazi scandal Copyright October 31. 2003 Some of our most famous American families, including the Bushes, made their fortunes from the Holocaust. Before I tell this awful story, I have to admit that I am a Democrat, but I quite like this President. He is not the sharpest tool in the shed, but he has a good heart, and the good sense not to follow in his father's footsteps. "W" has some good people around him who keep a firewall in the White House against his father's oil cronies. In terms of Republican politics, "W" is a rebel.

Morally, George W. Bush is the polar opposite of his grandfather and great grandfather (the "W" stands for Walker) who caused such havoc in the world with their Nazi investments. One cannot blame "W" for what his grandfather did, anymore than one can blame Jack Kennedy because his father bought Nazi stocks. What most people do not know is that Joseph Kennedy bought his Nazi stocks from Prescott Bush. Every great family has its scandal. The Bush family's scandal is that they funded Hitler and profited from the Holocaust...

http://www.john-loftus.com/bush_nazi_scandal.asp

Just so we know where these charges are coming from.

[killjoy]

We have been doing that for about 50 years and it started with president Roosevelt. He had signed a secret treaty with Britian in 1943 that let them each set up listening posts on each other's soil with no search warrants. It's a great little scheme. "

"So the British can use American computers to bug American politicians, and the Americans can use British computers to bug British politicians and each side can truthfully say that they aren't spying on their own citizens. They are just trading information under the table."

This is only partially true. There are agreements between the US, UK, Australia, and without looking it up I believe also New Zealand. This agreement allows each other to intercept communications on each others territory in order to get around various laws. This is very well documented in almost any book about the NSA. The allegations that it is used for spying on political opponents is new.

[mass55th]

So it wasn't a big deal when Roosevelt did it, but it is now because the GOP is allegedly doing it. Whoopdie freakin' doo!

[Brilliant]

To me, it sounds more like a rumor spread as a dirty trick from the Dem side of the aisle.

[spunkets]

a secret treaty

I doubt it. Treaties require a Senate vote.

Also, the laws, including surveillance laws apply to anyone. Legal, or illegal aliens are not exempt.

[Walkingfeather]

well if there a spy or someone is releasing info this is legal.

[Tamzee]

"What congress doesn't realise is that this is meant to favor one party only."

And there we get to the crux of it, don't we? Let's see his sources... if they actually exist.

[Indie]

Here is a little background on the illustrious Mr Loftus.

Just a few things about his background [all of it] that was not reported, as usual. [He got his job in '79. Tell you anything?]

[Rokke]

Everybody calm down. Do a quick Google search on "Loftus, Echelon". This story is ancient. Loftus has had a decades long fixation on Echelon. He's just using the current election to pull out his tired conspiracy theory, but the system is decades old, international, and NOT tied to the GOP, RNC, etc.

[NewLand]

John Loftus broadcasting his latest "news"...

[Bob J]

"What congress doesn't realise is that this is meant to favor one party only."

This bunghole isn't upset about the taping, only that the dems weren't invited to the party.

[The Wizard]

pure BS

[nutmeg]

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[Republican Wildcat]

Ah, so the real story of Newt's phone is now clear...