Posted on 02/15/2004 8:36:43 AM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
FOX NEWS 11:25am EST 2-15-2004
Fox news is interviewing John Loftus, Formers Justice Department Prosectutor who states that he has an inside scoop that "the Republican Party has asked the British Secret Service to bug phones of American political Candidates. "
FOX NEWS Eric Shawn: "It's a very serious and very shocking story."
JOHN LOFTUS: "That allegation seems very storng of that is the case. Why would any political party want to bug someone else?
It's a juicy way of running a smear campaign behind the works. We have been doing that for about 50 years and it started with president Roosevelt. He had signed a secret treaty with Britian in 1943 that let them each set up listening posts on each other's soil with no search warrants. It's a great little scheme. "
"So the British can use American computers to bug American politicians, and the Americans can use British computers to bug British politicians and each side can truthfully say that they aren't spying on their own citizens. They are just trading information under the table."
ERIC: How widespread is this. Members of the Security Council admitted to me that they are being bugged and that it wasn't surprising, they expected that.
JOHN: "What congress doesn't realise is that this is meant to favor one party only. In 1978 Carter tried to ban taping without a court order. So the bill is that the NSA cannot target american citizens, but not other countries from doing it. "
Agreed. Can we consolidate the threads? They are both moving quickly and it's difficult to follow both.
Echelon doesn't monitor voice, it monitors data.
I hear the Brits are trying to put that whistleblower in jail. Seems reporting the crime is a more serious matter than performing it.
It monitors both:
Echelon is perhaps the most powerful intelligence gathering organization in the world. Several credible reports suggest that this global electronic communications surveillance system presents an extreme threat to the privacy of people all over the world. According to these reports, ECHELON attempts to capture staggering volumes of satellite, microwave, cellular and fiber-optic traffic, including communications to and from North America. This vast quantity of voice and data communications are then processed through sophisticated filtering technologies.
He is talking about GCHQ. They are very good at what they do. They are the British version of the American NSA.
Your post reeks of naivete and a certain split from reality.
After all he says he serves on Muslim boards so that is proof positive that he's a caring, tolerant individual concerned with diversity.
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Glad it was perspective and not just an attack to discredit the source. Way too much of that going on lately and it does little to address the issue.
According to the original reports, and I have met personally with a few of the authors, the original version of Echelon did not monitor voice. Voice is monitored, but it is not by Eschelon. Eschelon was solely for sifting through data.
Former Federal Prosecutor John Loftus confirms the Bush-Nazi scandal Copyright October 31. 2003 Some of our most famous American families, including the Bushes, made their fortunes from the Holocaust. Before I tell this awful story, I have to admit that I am a Democrat, but I quite like this President. He is not the sharpest tool in the shed, but he has a good heart, and the good sense not to follow in his father's footsteps. "W" has some good people around him who keep a firewall in the White House against his father's oil cronies. In terms of Republican politics, "W" is a rebel.
Morally, George W. Bush is the polar opposite of his grandfather and great grandfather (the "W" stands for Walker) who caused such havoc in the world with their Nazi investments. One cannot blame "W" for what his grandfather did, anymore than one can blame Jack Kennedy because his father bought Nazi stocks. What most people do not know is that Joseph Kennedy bought his Nazi stocks from Prescott Bush. Every great family has its scandal. The Bush family's scandal is that they funded Hitler and profited from the Holocaust...
http://www.john-loftus.com/bush_nazi_scandal.asp
Just so we know where these charges are coming from.
Yup, she has said on the Senate floor that she "...knows how thing happen in the White House".
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