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GOP senators, officials back alien proposal
Washington Times ^ | 2/13/04 | Jerry Seper

Posted on 02/12/2004 9:41:24 PM PST by kattracks

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:13:20 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The administration rolled out its top immigration officials and several senior Republican senators yesterday to endorse publicly a guest-worker program offered by President Bush that could give legal status to the 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens now in the United States.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: aliens; bush43; freetrade; gop; immigrantlist; immigration; immigrationplan; jerryseper; nwo
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To: Sabertooth
In advocating for the Bush Amnesty, you are doing harm to the Republican Party, not to mention the country.

Rove are you listening?

Sabertooth says he will or may vote for Bush regardless.

I may vote for Bush if my state race is close. Or I may not.

The more I hear of this amnesty madness from the WH and Republicans the less likely I am to vote for Bush under any circumstances.

As I've said before, I consider this amnesty plan to be the worst possible policy for the country in the long run, more important than tax cuts, judges, even the WOT.

81 posted on 02/13/2004 2:46:10 PM PST by citizen (Write-in Tom Tancredo President 2004!)
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To: JackelopeBreeder; wirestripper
I do not have to, it is a fact regardless of what you see.

Yeah, who yer gonna buh-LIEVE, varmint: the gubmint, or yer OWN EYES????

(In other news, President Bush today proposed an act of legislation to make two and two equal five. The President's proposal was immediately hailed by his own Party as "a bold move that will help us deal with the realities of titanic Federal budgets in the 21st Century." White House and Republican National Committee spokespersons reacted to criticism by right-wing commentators by pointing out that Congressional Democrats were expected to propose a law making two and two equal twelve, which would also mandate that the sum increase to twenty-four in another four years from the next succeeding Presidential election.)

82 posted on 02/13/2004 2:52:29 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: taxed2death
This does absolutely NOTHING to correct a probem.....

The "problem" at it's heart is border protection.

Anything less is treason, committed by a traitor.

Pure and simple.

Traitor?? What is your solution? Do you have any suggestion? Have you read the proposal or are you like MOST people on this thread just babbling nonsense because of your own personal distaste toward your own misunderstanding?

83 posted on 02/13/2004 2:53:34 PM PST by Porterville (Traitors against God, country, family, and benefactors lament their sins in the deepest part of hell)
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To: taxed2death
This does absolutely NOTHING to correct a probem.....

The "problem" at it's heart is border protection.

Anything less is treason, committed by a traitor.

Pure and simple.

Traitor?? What is your solution? Do you have any suggestion? Have you read the proposal or are you like MOST people on this thread just babbling nonsense because of your own personal distaste toward your own misunderstanding?

84 posted on 02/13/2004 2:53:37 PM PST by Porterville (Traitors against God, country, family, and benefactors lament their sins in the deepest part of hell)
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To: kattracks
Where are the names of these Traitorous jerks who are supporting this insanity?
85 posted on 02/13/2004 2:55:10 PM PST by Leatherneck_MT (Good night Chesty, wherever you may be.)
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To: wirestripper
It was quite interesting to hear the experts on both sides of the proposal.

These experts you watched all live in gated communities. Their children go to private schools. Most of your experts have government insurance and don't have to worry about their premiums increasing to cover illegals.

The real experts are those American CITIZENS who have said overwhelmingly, "NO",(70%) to illegal aliens. These are the people that deal with it on a daily basis.

86 posted on 02/13/2004 3:05:14 PM PST by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: Map Kernow
These proposals are what they are................proposals.

The 86 act took 5 years to debate.

How long do you think this one will take and just when do you expect them to come up with a package to be voted on that will pass muster.

Frankly, this issue will likely not even be high on the list for the election. The rest of the country could not care less about it.

It is a single issue concern of a few states only and we all know that it is a problem with security as well.

Suggestions were made yesterday by this panel to completely trash can the current immigration law and start over.

This is what I advocate.

All this crap about amnesty is a red herring when you look at what some of the more meaningful suggestions are.

The democrats want amnesty, not the repubs and not GWB. This is a very complicated issue and you cannot simplify it in a word.

He did not propose amnesty.

87 posted on 02/13/2004 3:08:24 PM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: texastoo
These experts you watched all live in gated communities. Their children go to private schools. Most of your experts have government insurance and don't have to worry about their premiums increasing to cover illegals

Yeah right! Sheesh.........This conversation could not get any further off track.

Buh bye............

88 posted on 02/13/2004 3:12:23 PM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: Map Kernow
Your tagline: ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)

Bears repeating frequently.

A little political rebellion might be the thing right now. Bush is President of the people but he still is answerable to the people.

OK, it's time for somebody to chime "And you think a President Kerry will be better?"

Better than what? Conservative Republicans holding the WH & Congress should be rolling back Liberalism, not embracing it.

***an ex-Republican base voter***
89 posted on 02/13/2004 3:19:48 PM PST by citizen (Write-in Tom Tancredo President 2004!)
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To: wirestripper
Frankly, this issue will likely not even be high on the list for the election. The rest of the country could not care less about it.

That's certainly what you guys---including the White House staff---believe. But maybe you haven't noticed the impact illegal immigration is having in states like Georgia, North Carolina, Iowa, which could be critical to Bush winning.

It is a single issue concern of a few states only and we all know that it is a problem with security as well.

You're doggone right it's an issue in my home state of California---it was Ann Coulter's immediate reaction to the amnesty proposal (call it what you want, partner---it's an amnesty) that "Bush has written off California," even though the Golden State was put in play for 2004 thanks to the recall. It's an issue in other border states critical to a Bush re-election, like Arizona, where they have an initiative now like our Prop. 187, which the Bush White House is busy trying to squelch. And it's an issue in Florida---remember Florida? Bush may be willing to write off California, but Florida?

90 posted on 02/13/2004 3:20:49 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: citizen
If Thomas Jefferson try to post on Free Republic as it is right now, he'd be banned in short order. "Rebellion" is not in vogue here at Free Republic these days---not if it's directed at GW Bush or the GOP.

On the other hand, Dostoyevsky's "Grand Inquisitor"....

91 posted on 02/13/2004 3:25:59 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
The Border Patrol is undermanned and under-equipped for the job they are trying to do. So why does Dubya's FY 2005 proposed budget cut the Border Patrol's funding by $130 million?

Gasp! No wonder the Border Patrol personnel are so discouraged. Actively undermine their efforts while cutting their pay.

Wait a minute, a Bush backer is 'splaining it to me....hmmm....Oh, I see now, Bush needed this money to fund the National Endowment for the Arts.

92 posted on 02/13/2004 3:26:36 PM PST by citizen (Write-in Tom Tancredo President 2004!)
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To: Texas_Jarhead
I'm not happy. Why the heck can't the Mexicans and the rest of the illegals just stay home and fix their own country? Why is it our responsibility to make everybody prosperous? Hmmm? I admit to being a closet isolationist -- it's getting crowded in here.
93 posted on 02/13/2004 3:29:54 PM PST by hershey
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To: Map Kernow
I see no evidence yet that it will be a election issue of any major proportion.

No more so than in 2000.

What the states want is federal money to defer costs incurred.

That is all that I have read of late in the major media despite people like O'rielly beating the troops on the border drum.

Perhaps it will come to the front later on, but money seems to be all they are concerned about. (as far as election issues go)

94 posted on 02/13/2004 3:34:58 PM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: Sabertooth
Republicans oppose it on principle

Here is a better reason for Republicans to oppose it.

Link to F.A.I.R. article

...........................Snippet of article.........................

After losing control of both houses of Congress in the 1994 election to the Republicans, Clinton embarked on a program to reshape the electorate in a way that was more to his liking. In addition to using his considerable powers of persuasion to win back public support, he set about creating a new American public. The administration directed the Immigration and Naturalization Service to mint new citizens in time to vote in the 1996 elections. Under the direct control of Vice President Gore, the Citizenship USA program was tasked with naturalizing as many noncitizens as they could possibly find in time to participate in the next election.

........................................................

If this flood of immigrants both legal and illegal continues, our vote will be so diluted that we won't be able to elect a conservative as dog catcher.

95 posted on 02/13/2004 3:38:13 PM PST by Missouri
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To: Porterville
Yes, I have read the proposal, with the very small amount of additional border patrol he's advocating, it's actually an insult to thinking human beings...
96 posted on 02/13/2004 3:38:28 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: wirestripper
"If I had watched the hearings"


ummmm, I'm to darned busy, working to pay for his bloated government.....as well as 15 billion in AIDS pledge to Africa....sorry I can't sit home all day and watch the telly....someone has to pay for all the illegals ....don'cha know?
97 posted on 02/13/2004 3:41:47 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: wirestripper
Hell! he SHOULD put more BP out there...don't YOU know the facts?!!!!
Cochise county HAD 4000 to 6000 illegals cross EVERY 24 hours....now that blabber mouth has spoken, illegal crossings are up 170%

Maybe YOU should check the facts buddy...
98 posted on 02/13/2004 3:44:10 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death
In that case you defer to someone who did.
99 posted on 02/13/2004 3:44:44 PM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: wirestripper
keep dreamin...:)
100 posted on 02/13/2004 3:46:28 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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