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GOP senators, officials back alien proposal
Washington Times ^ | 2/13/04 | Jerry Seper

Posted on 02/12/2004 9:41:24 PM PST by kattracks

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:13:20 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The administration rolled out its top immigration officials and several senior Republican senators yesterday to endorse publicly a guest-worker program offered by President Bush that could give legal status to the 8 million to 12 million illegal aliens now in the United States.


(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: aliens; bush43; freetrade; gop; immigrantlist; immigration; immigrationplan; jerryseper; nwo
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To: taxed2death
Maybe you should check your's.
101 posted on 02/13/2004 3:47:10 PM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: wirestripper
That is all that I have read of late in the major media despite people like O'rielly beating the troops on the border drum.

Tell me you're not getting your election year news from the Major Media.

102 posted on 02/13/2004 3:49:04 PM PST by skeeter
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To: taxed2death
with the very small amount of additional border patrol he's advocating,

Gee! I missed those numbers!

How about you source the quote or at least show me where he said what he was proposing to do to increase border security.

Last I heard, he left that wide open for debate.

103 posted on 02/13/2004 3:51:49 PM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: skeeter
I watch the majors to see what issues they are pushing. This is a better indicator of where the gereral public is.

If I used my links for that, I would be myopic like some here on the forum.

104 posted on 02/13/2004 3:54:42 PM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: wirestripper
gereal is missing a few letters=general
105 posted on 02/13/2004 3:56:25 PM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: wirestripper
jeez, now I gotta do your homework too? You want me to tuck you into bed while I'm at it?

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040112-123623-1914r.htm

or...just for a good laugh.... www.cpb.gov


or, for you "union haters" out there.....
www.nbpc.com



ok, nappy time now.....here's your milk and cookies....
:)
106 posted on 02/13/2004 4:00:14 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: kattracks
Sen. John McCain, Arizona Republican, said America's borders would not be secure "until we supply willing employers with willing workers," while Sen. Larry E. Craig, Idaho Republican, said the "only way" to solve the nation's immigration problem was to "create a dynamic program that recognizes the need for foreign nationals to come to this country to work."

I wish I could have been at the meeting where President Bush and the GOP declared war on the middle class!

What the *ell is wrong with these people? Don't they feel any loyalty to their fellow Americans at all?

This will help Kerry get elected big time. This and what that free traitor lackey in the Bush administration said about how great it is that we are outsourcing our jobs to India and China!

I can only assume that the Bush administration has a death wish, and its gonna get what its beggin for in the fall.

Mr. Bush obviously doesn't give a rats *ss about the plight of unemployed Americans, maybe he will gain some understanding of them when he joins them in the unemployment line this fall.

Mr. Bush, your job has just been outsourced to John Kerry!

SMILE!!!!!!!!!!!!

107 posted on 02/13/2004 4:01:26 PM PST by Walkin Man
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To: wirestripper
So you believe that Bush's precipitous drop in the polls immediately following his amnesty announcement is a simple coincidence.

I believe the major media would never report anything that reflected poorly on the current illegal immigration situation, even if it meant passing up an opportunity to bash Bush. Leftists love poor illegals.

They did the same thing in 92 - Bush 1 lost the base when he raised taxes, but the media intentionally never made the connection.

108 posted on 02/13/2004 4:04:26 PM PST by skeeter
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To: wirestripper
I see no evidence yet that it will be a election issue of any major proportion.

It can be an election issue of "minor proportion" in a close election. GW doesn't need to inject issues into the race that few people care about, except past supporters in critical states. Word to the wise.

No more so than in 2000.

I don't remember GW proposing amnesty in his 2000 campaign. Here's what the 2000 platform said with regard to immigration:

"As a nation of immigrants, we welcome all new Americans who have entered lawfully and are prepared to follow our laws and provide for themselves and their families. In their search for a better life, they strengthen our economy, enrich our culture, and defend the nation in war and in peace. To ensure fairness for those wishing to reside in this country, and to meet the manpower needs of our expanding economy, a total overhaul of the immigration system is sorely needed.

The [Clinton] administration’s lax enforcement of our borders has led to tragic exploitation of smuggled immigrants, and untold suffering, at the hands of law-breakers. We call for harsh penalties against smugglers and those who provide fake documents. We oppose the creation of any national ID card.

Because free trade is the most powerful force for the kind of development that creates a middle class and offers opportunity at home, the long-term solution for illegal immigration is economic growth in Mexico, Central America, and the Caribbean. In the short run, however, decisive action is needed. We therefore endorse the recommendations of the U.S. Commission on Immigration Reform:

Restore credibility to enforcement by devoting more resources both to border control and to internal operations.

Reorganize family unification preferences to give priority to spouses and children, rather than extended family members.

Emphasize needed skills in determining eligibility for admission.

Overhaul the failed Labor Certification Program to end the huge delays in matching qualified workers with urgent work.

Reform the Immigration and Naturalization Service by splitting its functions into two agencies, one focusing on enforcement and one exclusively devoted to service.

The education reforms we propose elsewhere in this platform will, over time, greatly increase the number of highly qualified workers in all sectors of the American economy. To meet immediate needs, however, we support increasing the number of H-1B visas to ensure high-tech workers in specialized positions, provided such workers do not pose a national security risk; and we will expand the H-2A program for the temporary agricultural workers so important to the nation’s farms.

Now I didn't necessarily agree with everything in this platform, but on balance it promised a reasonable approach to the immigration crisis.

What we got instead were efforts by GW Bush to come to a sweetheart amnesty deal with Vicente Fox even before the end of his first year in office. And now we have the atrocious---some have termed it "treasonous"---January 7 proposal, which even if you don't want to call it an "amnesty," far exceeds anything even hinted at by Bush and the GOP in 2000---in fact, I would say it's in flat contradiction of what we were promised.

That's why I and others need to hear GW repudiate this proposal before we vote for him again. If he doesn't need our votes, fine. But I've never known a politician with any brains to trade off actual present votes for potential future votes.

109 posted on 02/13/2004 4:06:08 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: taxed2death
Lordy!

Now that I know what you consider facts, I understand your assertions.

Bwahahahahahaha!

110 posted on 02/13/2004 4:07:30 PM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: Map Kernow
He is not going to repudiate a damn thing.

He believes what he believes.

Your vote, notwithstanding.

111 posted on 02/13/2004 4:09:23 PM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: kattracks
Screw the elites!!
112 posted on 02/13/2004 4:09:26 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Let them eat amnesty)
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To: Map Kernow
---in fact, I would say it's in flat contradiction of what we were promised

During the run up to the 2000 election he said much the same thing.

Your assertion is incorrect.

113 posted on 02/13/2004 4:11:29 PM PST by Cold Heat ("It is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other." [Samuel Clemens, on lawyers])
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
Screw the elites!!

Sure sounds Socialist. Class warfare is for near-do-wells.

114 posted on 02/13/2004 4:11:36 PM PST by PRND21
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To: wirestripper
During the run up to the 2000 election he said much the same thing.

Your assertion is incorrect.

"Much the same thing"? Pardon if I don't just roll over on this ipse dixit of yours, Pythagoras. I gave you the pertinent text of the 2000 GOP platform that GW ran on. What's your contribution to this discussion?

115 posted on 02/13/2004 4:17:02 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: wirestripper
During the run up to the 2000 election he said much the same thing

Citations, please.

I'll admit to wishful thinking on the subject when I voted for GW in 2000, but I sho 'nuff would have remembered if he offered a plan involving 'legalization' of illegals.

116 posted on 02/13/2004 4:17:47 PM PST by skeeter
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To: taxed2death
Cochise county HAD 4000 to 6000 illegals cross EVERY 24 hours....now that blabber mouth has spoken, illegal crossings are up 170%.

Are those stats solid? [I don't know] But I've heard about that county having a bad Illegals problem.

4000 to 6000 Illegals/day times 1.7 times 365 = 3.1 million +/- Illegals crossing through Cochise County in a year. Wow, now that's a flood.

***an ex-Republican base voter***

117 posted on 02/13/2004 4:18:30 PM PST by citizen (Write-in Tom Tancredo President 2004!)
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To: PRND21
Class warfare is for near-do-wells.

Maybe you meant "ne'er-do-wells." However, with the Bush amnesty proposal, the American middle class will indeed become "near-do-wells." And you can then blame the "class warfare" on GW, safe in his country club, having immigrants refresh his drink.

118 posted on 02/13/2004 4:19:47 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Texas_Jarhead
If Ted Kennedy likes it, it has to be a good plan, right? Right?
119 posted on 02/13/2004 4:21:52 PM PST by GraniteStateConservative ("You can dip a pecan in gold, but it's still a pecan"-- Deep Thoughts by JC Watts)
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To: skeeter
I believe the major media would never report anything that reflected poorly on the current illegal immigration situation, even if it meant passing up an opportunity to bash Bush. Leftists love poor illegals.

They did the same thing in 92 - Bush 1 lost the base when he raised taxes, but the media intentionally never made the connection.

Excellent insight. The Dems are very much aware how GW has shot himself in the foot with his base by means of the amnesty proposal. Mickey Kaus made a point of mentioning it last night on Dennis Miller. But the last thing they want is for GW to make a mid-course correction, and reconcile with his base on the issue. They know that they can only benefit from Bush continuing to push the proposal.

120 posted on 02/13/2004 4:28:02 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" ---Thomas Jefferson)
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