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The Confederate battle flag continues to be a symbol of regional pride
freelancestar ^ | 2/10/2004 | BUFFY RIPLEY

Posted on 02/10/2004 6:16:00 AM PST by stainlessbanner

IS THE Confederate battle flag a symbol of hate? Although there are certain connotations that have been improperly associated with the Confederate flag, there are still many people within the American population who display it to show pride in their heritage.

Heritage, not hate.

The Confederate States of America was a compilation of southern states that seceded from the United States of America. Following the formation of this new government, the grievances between the North and South produced hostility and warfare.

Our differences divided us as a nation. Yet during that period, there arose a certain Southern solidarity that people cannot forget.

A liberal federal judge has banned the display of Confederate flags in cemeteries near our area. Could he, not the Southerners who revere the flag, be the prejudiced one?

Only two days out of 365 in a year are people allowed to fly the Confederate battle flag in Point Lookout in Maryland. There have been many appeals, but the judge concluded that it "could" cause hateful uprisings and counter-actions to prevent the flag from flying.

So much for those who died during the Civil War bravely fighting for the South. 3,300 Confederate soldiers died at Point Lookout Cemetery, and the flag would commemorate their lives and their deaths.

Although many people do not understand or agree with what the Confederate States of America stood for, these men gave their lives and had the courage to stand up for what they believed in.

In fact, Confederates fought for the ideals expressed in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution--states' rights, no taxation without fair representation and freedom from oppressive government.

They weren't fighting for hate. They weren't fighting to destroy a race.

They were fighting to preserve the government that they had chosen--the Confederate States of America--the government that allowed them to preserve their own way of life.

Fact: The overwhelming majority of Southerners never owned slaves. Slavery as an institution was fading, and making way for more pragmatic agricultural practices, including the use of immigrant labor.

Too many people today do not agree with what Southern soldiers stood for, often basing their opinion on faulty history or willful ignorance. That doesn't mean that we should respect the soldiers from Dixie any less.

Ignorance has turned the South's past into a history of hate. I have grown up in the South. I am not racist. I consider myself to be an open-minded person.

I do have Dixie Pride, though.

I grew up in a Civil War town that has a Confederate Cemetery in the middle of it. There's even a store called "Lee's Outpost."

Yes, there are people who live in Fredericksburg who consider the Confederate flag as a symbol of hatred and racism. However, they do not know what it is truly about.

The war between the states was a time when brother fought against brother. It was a time when people didn't have the choice to be passive.

Ultimately, regardless of one's feelings about the flag, banning the Confederate flag is unconstitutional under the Bill of Rights. Flying the flag is considered a form of speech--and if it is legal to burn an American flag, it should be legal without question to fly the Confederate one.

I do own a Confederate flag. I'm a Southerner, proud of my heritage, and I take pride in the fact that my ancestors rose to the occasion and fought for their form of government.

They did not give their lives to protect slavery in the South. They did not die to keep African-Americans from sharing the same liberties and freedoms that they were blessed with. They believed they were fighting for their families, homes and states against an oppressive government in the North.

The book "The South Was Right" provides many facts to support this.

In the end, it almost doesn't matter why they fought. We claim to be a nation that believes in freedom of speech, where everyone can have their own beliefs and not be looked down on for it.

Are we or aren't we?

What makes this country great is that we have the right to make up our own minds about things. People are asked if they believe in freedom of speech. They reply, "Yes, of course I believe in freedom of speech."

Yet when they don't agree with the speech, sometimes they contradict themselves.

As a nation with millions of citizens, we will never agree on any principles or ideas as a whole--except for the fact that freedom cannot be replaced, and rights cannot be sacrificed.

So why should the Confederate flag be an exception? Free speech applies to everyone, and Southerners have great reasons to be proud of their past.

BUFFY RIPLEY is a sophomore at Virginia Commonwealth University.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: buffy; confederate; confederateflag; dixie; dixielist; flag; vcu
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To: stand watie
I don't know who is worse, this TURKEY or some of the IDIOTS who defended him. I particularly like the logic of Ken Jackson (professor of history at Columbia University) -- he did not read the book, did not care if it is accurate -- the TURKEY won the Bancroft Prize and that is that.

It was fun reading the defenses as the myth continued to disintegrate.
1,041 posted on 03/11/2004 7:39:13 PM PST by nolu chan
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To: nolu chan
it sure is!

free dixie NOW,sw

1,042 posted on 03/12/2004 7:14:36 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: capitan_refugio; stand watie
Here we go again......

We just discussed on the other thread the business of making McPherson's and Foner's "It Was All About Slavery" argument. This is "It Was All About Slavery" Lite.

The point of the argument is to level a moral inculpation at modern Southerners (and split the conservative bloc) by bracketing them with the Confederates, having engaged in a few rounds of facile reductionist argument that the Confederates were just a bunch of Legrees who were "all about slavery". It's not history when Foner and McPherson do this, it's left-wing, Hobbesian, statist, and vanguardist polemic against Jeffersonianism.

Furthermore, when the argument is couched in those terms, it isn't even an argument, since it's really an extended and elaborate form of ad hominem argument, combined with bracketing and guilt by association. All of which are fallacious -- but they work, so propagandists use them.

1,043 posted on 10/03/2004 9:55:07 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus
they work because about 90% of the country is too IGNORANT of the most basic points of historical truth to know any better.

thank the "publick screwls edumakashhun" for that.

free dixie,sw

1,044 posted on 10/03/2004 10:32:36 AM PDT by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. damnyankee is a LEARNED prejudice.)
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To: capitan_refugio
for the 5-6% of southerners that were slaveOWNERS what you say is true. for the rest of the southland's citizens the war was ONLY about freedom for the new southron nation & getting the damnyankees boot off our collective necks PERMANENTLY.

as the Mercury was a mouthpiece for the plantation aristocracy, i'm NOT surprised at their editorial policy. the Mercury was then , in their own way, as UN-biased as the "NY SLIMES" is today.

free dixie,sw

1,045 posted on 10/03/2004 10:38:05 AM PDT by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. damnyankee is a LEARNED prejudice.)
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To: r9etb
fyi, check out # 991-1000 this thread for more information.

btw, welcome to the WBTS threads. sit down, read,converse & learn. there's a BUNCH of smart people who hang out over here.

free dixie,sw

1,046 posted on 10/03/2004 10:55:55 AM PDT by stand watie ( being a damnyankee is no better than being a racist. damnyankee is a LEARNED prejudice.)
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To: stand watie
I've got to give you credit, stand; that is the longest-delayed replay I've had in a long, long time! How did you dig up a March post? Now I have to go back and re-read that thread to figure out what it was about - although I do specifically recall the Charleston Mercury editorial - the Mercury was the mouthpiece of the Rhett family.
1,047 posted on 10/03/2004 10:45:55 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: lentulusgracchus
"We just discussed on the other thread the business of making McPherson's and Foner's "It Was All About Slavery" argument. This is "It Was All About Slavery" Lite."

I am familiar with neither argument. I have always maintained that the original Northern motivation was, as Lincoln stated, to preserve the Union. Although abolition was a constant Republican undercurrent, Lincoln initially realized the political realities of maintaining within the Union the important border "slave" states.

For the South, it can not be denied that the preservation of the institution of slavery was one of the most important, if not the most important, factor in their motivation for unilateral secession.

Southern motivations in the ante-bellum period should have no bearing on political considerations today. The key to preserving conservative-valued control of the government is the South, Midwest & West alliance. Although you may not believe it, even on the West Coast (California, Oregon, and Washington), the liberals only maintain political control in the few populous urban centers (refer back to the 2000 election "County" map), or even the results of the 2003 California recall election. San Francisco and Los Angeles are increasingly marginalized.

The best way to avoid sharing Southern blame for the ACW is to renounce the principles upon which the insurrection was based and to cease glorifying those who led the insurrection. It is not enough to condemn the practice, while praising the practitioners.

1,048 posted on 10/03/2004 11:06:40 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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