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The Confederate battle flag continues to be a symbol of regional pride
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| 2/10/2004
| BUFFY RIPLEY
Posted on 02/10/2004 6:16:00 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
Dixie Bump!
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posted on
02/10/2004 6:22:47 AM PST
by
TomServo
("Why does the most evil man in the world live in a Stuckeys?")
To: stainlessbanner
They did not give their lives to protect slavery in the South. They did not die to keep African-Americans from sharing the same liberties and freedoms that they were blessed with. They believed they were fighting for their families, homes and states against an oppressive government in the North.BUMP! 'That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.'
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posted on
02/10/2004 6:33:30 AM PST
by
4CJ
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To: stainlessbanner
"Dixie Pride" is something that most Northernors won't understand, but we in the South, rich & poor alike all understand about Pride in our Southern Heritage as well as Pride for America. On the other hand alot of Northernors don't even have pride in the U.S. much less anything else.
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posted on
02/10/2004 6:45:43 AM PST
by
HELLRAISER II
(Give us another tax break Mr. President)
To: stainlessbanner
The main trouble I have is one of historical accuracy, because the flag I most often see flying is the Confederate Naval Ensign. The official Battle Flag of Gen. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia was a red square one with thirteen white stars arrayed on a blue Cross of St. Andrew..But the official flag of the Confederacy is the one referred to as the "Stars and Bars", (the one sans the Cross of St. Andrew). And I don't believe there would be that much controversy if folks displayed the official flag--due to the ignorance of the American public.
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posted on
02/10/2004 6:48:12 AM PST
by
meandog
("Do unto others before they do unto you!")
To: meandog
Dog,
The Confederate Naval Jack (the rectangular version of the ANV's square battle flag) was also used by the Army of Tennessee. I believe it was mostly AOT veterans who formed the original incarnation of the Ku Klux Klan, so they chose to use their old battle standard to represent the new organization. That particular association is still causing problems, despite the hate groups choosing new symbols because they have no connection with the CSA.
FReegards,
Reb
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posted on
02/10/2004 7:02:54 AM PST
by
RebelBanker
(Deo Vindice)
Comment #8 Removed by Moderator
To: stainlessbanner
Poor kid. Swallowed the party line, hook, line and sinker.
Sure, he's got a free speech right to fly the Confederate flag. He can wear a KKK pointy white hat while he's at it, and swear 'til he's blue in the face that the Klan is just misunderstood. And other people have a free speech right to tell him how much they hate him for being such a putz.
And I've got a free speech right to tell him that the Civil War was about slavery, pure and simple. The so-called "state's rights" is code for the right to own slaves.
To: stainlessbanner
They did not give their lives to protect slavery in the South. They did not die to keep African-Americans from sharing the same liberties and freedoms that they were blessed with. They believed they were fighting for their families, homes and states against an oppressive government in the North. Everyone loves to revise history. Was the civil war solely about slavery? Of course not. Was it solely about "families, homes and states against an oppressive government in the North?" Of course not. It was a combination of both.
Southerners were not the pure, innocent victims of Northern Aggression that many claim to be, while the North has hands that are just as dirty in the whole thing.
Is the Confederate Battle Flag a "symbol of regional pride?" Sure, to some. To others, it is a symbol of racial oppression. To deny that fact is to put one's head firmly in the sand.
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posted on
02/10/2004 8:44:40 AM PST
by
Modernman
("When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." -Otto von Bismarck)
To: CobaltBlue
I'll be flying my battle flag and the Stars & bars during the month of April. We will also be putting out about 300 battle flags on Confederate graves in the area. If narrow- minded believers of revisionist history don't like it they can go North.
DEO VENDICE
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posted on
02/10/2004 8:49:26 AM PST
by
antisocial
(Texas SCV)
To: CobaltBlue
and swear 'til he's blue in the face that the Klan is just misunderstood.Oddly, he would also be correct in that. When histories associate Forrest with the Klan in order to tarnish or trash him, they neglect to mention that the KKK with which he was associated was not the terrorist organization which made headlines through the 20th C.
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posted on
02/10/2004 8:52:28 AM PST
by
Gianni
To: CobaltBlue
"And I've got a free speech right to tell him that the Civil War was about slavery, pure and simple. The so-called "state's rights" is code for the right to own slaves."
Cobalt, You, sir, could use a serious history lesson. Might I suggest you do not attempt to glean your information from government approved history books. The issue of slavery was Lincoln's propoganda, and was an attempt to weaken the south by causing uproar from within. Lincoln stated in several speeches that the white race was superior and that he could care less about the issue of slavery. In fact, he profited from the sale of his father-in-law's slaves fully two years after the end of the "War of Northern Aggression". Before you fire back with a flame post, please check out these facts.
To: stainlessbanner
Everybody gets this wrong
It is not the Confederate Battle Flag!. It is the Confederate Navy Flag. The Confederate Battle Flag is square and the diagonal blue strips are dark navy blue.
Just a point of correction.
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posted on
02/10/2004 9:06:17 AM PST
by
D Rider
To: Modernman
Here's a little trivia for you:
It has been said that prior to the War of Northern Aggression, the South was a land of slavery and oppression to the Black race. Slavery was undeniably a bad institution. However, the number of Free Blacks living alongside their white counterparts were roughly three times in number in the South than in the North.
If statistics be the bearer of any testimony, let it be that the Southern accepted his Free Black neighbor living among them more readily than did their Northern countrymen.
Here are those Free Black population numbers:
Population of the North: est. 31.4 million
Free Blacks of the North: est. 225,967
Population percentage: 0.72% free Blacks in the North
Population of the South: est. 12.3 million
Free Blacks of the South: est. 262,003
Population percentage: 2.13% free Blacks in the South
(from "Best Little Stories from the Civil War" - C. Brian Kelly - Pp 74 & 75)
There were 2.96 times more free Blacks in the South than the North prior to the War of Northern Agression.
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posted on
02/10/2004 9:08:29 AM PST
by
azhenfud
("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
To: TonyRo76
Very good, that is the C Battle Flag! The Ones hug on walls and on stickers in truck windows is the C Navy Flag.
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posted on
02/10/2004 9:09:30 AM PST
by
D Rider
To: Dixie Pirate
I have no intention of flaming you. The South seceded from the Union over the issue of slavery. That information wasn't gleaned from text books, but from my own study of history. You see, I actually took the time to read the various Articles of Secession, and every state explained why it was seceding. The first seven seceded before Lincoln was even sworn in as President. They wanted to maintain slavery, pure and simple.
Your beloved Confederate flag is stained with ooze from the charnel house in my eyes.
To: azhenfud
There were 2.96 times more free Blacks in the South than the North prior to the War of Northern Agression. As a percentage, that's true, but not as a number (you quoted 225K free blacks in the North versus 262K in the South).
Certainly, it makes sense that there were more free blacks in the South, since the vast majority of blacks at the time lived in the South.
let it be that the Southern accepted his Free Black neighbor living among them more readily than did their Northern countrymen.
If that was the case, why were there about the same number of free blacks in the North as there were in the South? Since it is logical to assume that the free blacks in ths North moved there from the South, it would seem that the migration of blacks was from the South to the North, thereby going against your claim that Southerners got along well with free blacks.
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posted on
02/10/2004 9:24:38 AM PST
by
Modernman
("When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." -Otto von Bismarck)
To: CobaltBlue
The so-called "state's rights" is code for the right to own slaves.Unfortunately, to some people it was/is.
However, don't throw the baby out with the bath water. As you know, states rights is an approach set up in the Bill of Rights to limit the power of the central government.
When the central government tries to impose its laws on states and individuals in areas that are the purview of the states, then states rights can be used to stop it. Consider federal laws on the possession of guns near schools. It is not a federal issue, so the courts threw it out. "Under the theories that the Government presents...we are hard pressed to posit any activity by an individual that Congress is without power to regulate."
On the other hand, if you want an all powerful central government, then states rights is an obstacle that has to be overcome and demonized.
To: Dixie Pirate
Might I suggest you do not attempt to glean your information from government approved history books. A claim that slavery was not the most important factor in causing the civil war flies in the face of history. All you have to do is look at the pressure exerted by Northern Abolitionists on their government to end the institution. Look at the various compromises that the North and South tried to hobble together when it came to new slave versus free states. Slavery was the one insurmountable problem in the relationship between North and South.
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posted on
02/10/2004 9:27:55 AM PST
by
Modernman
("When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." -Otto von Bismarck)
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