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Vanity | Feb. 11, 2004 | Nix Two

Posted on 02/07/2004 4:31:25 PM PST by Nix 2

Gotta tell you something, people. Other than listening to the demons wail about the deficit, what difference has it made in any of your lives? None. Interest rates have not gone up. The Medicare reform bill has the rats climbing the wall because it is the first step towards its OWN slow death. Even G-d kept the Jews wandering in the wilderness until the whole generations of them that knew slavery were dead. So now, seniors have a prescription program and younger workers will have private health accounts. It took the dems a gazillion years to try to make everyone in the USA a slave to government and take over US healthcare bit by bit. This year it would have been fully government run if Gore had made it to Pennsylvania Avenue. Bush is unraveling their dream of the world under Marx.

Are you watching the teachers' union howling at the moon? They can't teach, so they blame the kids for not being able to learn. Bush gave them their chance. They are blowing it big-time. The more they try and steal our kids, the harder we fight, and the more they scream. But it will have its end and it will be under a Bush presidency. We need good minds to have better goals. No one knows that better than he does. The dems are freaking out over *No Child Left behind* because if a teacher can't teach, he/she has got to go. The dems would protect these stupid, moneygrubbers at any cost including the cost of your children's education.

Privatization of ALL healthcare is paramount if we are to maintain the best healthcare system in the world. The dems have run doctors out of practice, turned insurance companies into beancounters, claimed that pharmaceutical companies, which have given us virtually many more years to live, vile, filthy creatures who stalk the weak and the poor. Now, the first step back towards freedom is being looked at and whined about as if you so-called conservatives were personally wounded and the bleeding will never stop. The truly wounded are the democrats who see their phoney, dark, delusional world exposed to the unforgiving light of the truth. They are losing...but will you give credit? This is too pathetic. Do you let others do your thinking now?

What exactly about the immigration reform has you so riled up? You are jumping to so many bogus conclusions, I don't even know where to start. You call it amnesty, and I ask you WHEREIN lies the amnesty? Is it not a fact that no illegal will be able to get a job unless Americans expressly turn it down? And is it not further fact that Americans will receive better training for BETTER jobs because SOMEBODY believes that we have better brains and can learn better skills to come up with better ideas, instead of having the sugah-daddy dems giving everyone handouts and more unemployment compensation so they WOULDN'T go back to work. Don't you realize that only prolonged the recovery, not helped it, or me, or you? Do you realize that maybe, just maybe, some of the jobs illegals take right now will henceforth be open to our American teenagers who lost them to 40 and 50 year old illegals flipping burgers, training jobs, entry level jobs, jobs that taught our kids what it meant to have a work ethic and some responsibilty so they can stop expecting us to spoil them half to death. If they want a $150.00 pair of silly shoes, let them but them themselves. If they want a car, a little hard work never hurt anyone. Or has it truly escaped you that Americans First means young Americans as well? THIS takes a generation as well but like liberals everywhere, yesterday seems to be much too late. Well, where were you when all these things were building up? I asked someone a few years ago, right here on this board. He said "Sure, I think about it, but...I have a family and can't afford to do the right thing.

Now, Bush does the right thing, depriving no one of anything, and the crocodile tears are starting to make Conservatives look more and more like the libs with their hands constantly extended.

Are you stopping in your misplaced anger at President Bush to realize that terrorists damaged us in an excruciating way, but if Gore, or any of his ilk would have been president, they would have seized on that moment to finalize their control over us in ways that should make you thank the Lord for Bush. Gun control would be a gun ban period. We would probably be under martial law, our government would be gone, and our soldiers would be patroling OUR streets while Bin Laden was enjoying French hospitality. The Islamist State Department would be busily going about installing some form of sharia law by now. Do you want to be Canada? Then go the hell there and stop calling yourselves conservatives, because you ain't.

If you were truly conservatives, you would be stopping to think about the freedom you DIDN'T lose. We are at war. They aren't here, WE are there. You would realize that fully one fourth of the US was on fire almost at the same time. We've had megafloods. The Clinton Administration cooked the Stockmarket books to give the illusion of prosperity. Bush has unraveled the tangled yarn and then some. Do you think that was cheap? Do you realize that President Bush rolled back many of the insane enviroweenie laws that caused all that, and because of it, logging can happen again. Oil drilling can begin again. Care will be taken to stop the kind of corrupt and corrupted opposing environmental laws that did nothing to help the environment, but it sure helped to line the pockets of the UN believers of the world and their science of unreality and fishy fantasy.

Are you so nonsatisfiable that you don't realize that the man from Texas stood and faced down the UN so that they can't even get a paragraph ratified because he has them running in circles and has not much to do with the terrorists and crooks who run the damb place.

We have a good man as President. He will be even better with a bigger majority in the House and Senate. Anyone else who is, or might run, will NEVER be able to accomplish what Bush has already accomplished, and he isn't done yet...and there is NO SUCH THING as instant gratification. All that leads to his horrors down the road...like Medicare was before this reform.



TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: deficit; democrats; fauxconservative; fuzzylogic; illegals; jobs; kyoto; medicare; navelinthinker; pathetic
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To: EternalVigilance
Your problem? You don't have a clue how big the 'Alan Keyes wing' of the GOP is.

Yep most of the stayed at home in 2000 because Alan lost.

801 posted on 02/08/2004 10:53:10 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
Yep most of the stayed at home in 2000 because Alan lost.

Liar.

802 posted on 02/08/2004 10:55:40 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
Then who were the 4 million religious conservatives that sat out the election?
803 posted on 02/08/2004 10:56:57 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
If you had your way, they would probably stay home in 04.

Do you work for McAwful?
804 posted on 02/08/2004 10:57:25 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Texasforever
Not Keyes people. The Keyes organization turned out millions of votes for the President. How many did you turn out?
805 posted on 02/08/2004 10:58:24 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
If you had your way, they would probably stay home in 04.

I fully expect them to sit at home in 2004. They never change.

806 posted on 02/08/2004 10:58:27 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: EternalVigilance
Not Keyes people. The Keyes organization turned out millions of votes for the President. How many did you turn out?

Prove it.

807 posted on 02/08/2004 10:59:14 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
If you aren't a plant for the DNC, you should be calling them demanding back wages.
808 posted on 02/08/2004 11:00:26 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
If you aren't a plant for the DNC, you should be calling them demanding back wages.

Prove to me that the "Alan Keyes" organizations brought out millions of votes for Bush and I will apologize.

809 posted on 02/08/2004 11:02:26 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
Prove it.

Ask Karl Rove, since you are using him as a source.

As for me, I don't have to prove anything. I was there. I was an eyewitness.

You can reject my testimony because of your anti-conservative bigotry, but it won't change the truth of history.

810 posted on 02/08/2004 11:02:44 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
As for me, I don't have to prove anything. I was there. I was an eyewitness.

Then you can't back it up. I really doubt that your were an "eyewitness" to Keyes people turning out millions of votes. Keyes sure wasn't helping.

811 posted on 02/08/2004 11:06:14 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
Prove to me that the "Alan Keyes" organizations brought out millions of votes for Bush and I will apologize.

I was his political director. I turned them out myself, along with tens of thousands of the best people in America--'Keyes Republicans'.

Not only did they vote, but they worked their asses off.

Keyes Republicans make up the volunteer base of the Republican Party. But you are too biased and too ignorant of facts on the ground to know that, or to learn it from someone who knows.

I will await your apology, and then I will apologize for the tone of my reponses to you.

Nothing makes me madder than to have these people attacked by ignoramuses...because I know the quality of these folks. They are the backbone, the foundation of this country...there are none finer anywhere on this planet.

If people like you drive them from the GOP, it will be like a body without a soul...DEAD....and the country will have to suffer horribly for that meltdown for many years to recover from it.

812 posted on 02/08/2004 11:09:50 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
I don't see any proof just your assertion.
813 posted on 02/08/2004 11:12:49 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
Wouldn't matter. You're so set in your hatred for Keyes, and me, and conservatives, that it wouldn't matter what I said.

But what I said remains true nonetheless.
814 posted on 02/08/2004 11:14:30 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
You're so set in your hatred for Keyes, and me, and conservatives, that it wouldn't matter what I said.

I don't hate you or Keyes. I said that 4 million religious conservatives sat out the 2000 race and that group made up the bulk of Keyes' primary support. You said that the Keyes operation, that you headed, got out millions to vote for Bush. If those 4 million that sat at home added to your "millions" then Bush would have had a landslide victory. Something does not add up.

815 posted on 02/08/2004 11:18:46 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Nix 2
I agree with you about Al Gore handling 9/11=disaster. I don't think he would have had the wherewithal to go after the terrorists. His focus would have been toward the UN and What-did-we-do-to-make-them-so-angry-at-us? This would have had a devastating effect on US morale. Since most of the terrorist suspects would not have been rounded up due to UN negotiations and racial concerns, there would have been MANY more attacks against us.

I'm voting for President Bush first of all, because he is an unapologetic Christian. This matters the most to me.
Second is because he has vowed to protect our nation,( not through the UN.) and he supports our military.
Third he proved himself to be a great leader when we were attacked. If (and probably when) we are attacked again, he is the person I want in charge. I think he is doing the best he can for our nation.

The greatest difference that I can see between those here, who support the President and those who don't , comes down to how big of a threat each side views the democ'RATS as.

Those who are not supporting President Bush view the democ'RATS and Pubbies as equally dangerous to the country. They think a dem president would be as good as Bush at prosecuting the WOT, and protecting the country from another attack. The cost of electing a dem is apparently, not that high to them. They think the country can take another hit from a dem presidency,( in spite of the tremendous damage done by the last 8 years of the previous one).

Those who will vote for Bush this year see the exact opposite of this. They(and I) see the democ'RAT party as the biggest threat we face. They (D's) are far and away more dangerous than the pubbies. Kerry has stated he would turn the Iraq war over the UN. He also stated he doesn't deem terrorism that big of a threat. (What more proof do the anti-bush people need?)

The non-Bush supporters think a pubbie controlled House and Senate will somehow reign in a dem president? Did it work with Clinton? Look at all the trouble the dems are making now, as the minority party (judicial nominees exc..) They are NOT going to follow the rules if they gain the presidency.

Look at the Mass. Supreme Court ruling, on gay marriage. The leftist judges pretty much said "gays will be able to marry legally, weather people like or not-we have spoken". Now take that tactic, multiply it by 1,000 and you have what a dem presidency will be like.

I could name many other reasons why I will be voting for GW this fall. The other one that stands out to me is that , if a 'RAT is elected, they will be in charge of the military. I don't want our soldiers to have to serve under a dem, PERIOD. Also, a they will wreck the War in Iraq,( UN) and all the sacrifice's the military made there will mean nothing. The 'RATS complain about it everyday anyway, what do you think they will do if they get the presidency?

I can't stand the demo'rat party. I haven't forgotten the 8 years of Clinton, and I haven't forgotten the absolutely disgraceful way the dems have acted since 9/11. They don't give a flying frisbee about our nation. They want us to be diminished "We have too much power, we scare other nations, that's why we are hated." Remember statements like that? (Personally-I think Clinton and his "World Wide Apologize for the USA" tours during his presidency, played a big part in AlQueda seeing us as weak and thinking we'd crumble under attack)

In any case, there is NO WAY I wouldn't vote for President Bush. I may not agree with him about everything, but that doesn't change my opinion of him as a great leader. He got us through 9/11. Our troops like him. He RESPECTS them and the sacrifices they are asked to make. We are in the middle of a war and still recovering from the biggest attack in our nations history. I'm staying with the team that has gotten us through it . I wouldn't trust a democrat ( the majority of them-with maybe one or 2 exceptions) to clean up after my dogs droppings in the backyard.- Much less elect to give one the power of the presidency.

Just my 2 and 1/2 cents.

816 posted on 02/08/2004 11:27:49 PM PST by fly_so_free (Never underestimate the treachery of the democrat party-Save USA -Vote a dem out of office)
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To: Texasforever; Jim Robinson
Most of the country calls themselves evangelical Christians when polled. Half the population stays home in any election. Those are phony numbers ginned up to slam conservatives.

I have to stop myself periodically and come back to the realization that you are just a crusty contrarian, and not a strategist for the party.

If Rove had a shot at you and all of your buddies around here who seem to be on a mission to alienate conservatives, on America's premiere conservative website, he would probably wring your neck.

It saddens me that Jim, while rightfully reining in the Bush-bashers for the sake of keeping our country out of the hands of the treasonous RATs, is seemingly slow to rein in you conservative-bashers. You're doing more damage than any of them could ever dream of. It is a shame that such a fine establishment as FR is being used as such a platform.

I'm praying for a miracle... that it will stop.
817 posted on 02/08/2004 11:30:00 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
I asked a simple and repectful question. I am not bashing conservatives, I am one.
818 posted on 02/08/2004 11:33:36 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
And I gave you a straight and truthful answer.

I had organization in all 50 states after the Philly convention in 2000. They all went to work for George W. Bush.

How many votes did you bring home, Tex? One?
819 posted on 02/08/2004 11:35:33 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
I didn't claim to bring in votes you did. You said millions and I find it fascinating since it was Keyes’ base that sat out 2000. There is no doubt that 4 million sat out 2000 and that 4 million alone would have given Bush a real mandate not to mention the Millions you claim to have mobilized. It is also fascinating that many in that same base are now threatening to sit out 2004.
820 posted on 02/08/2004 11:39:13 PM PST by Texasforever
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