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You have to understand the terrorist mindset -- they are perfectly happy to send the world back to the stone ages. That is where their religion is comfortable.

I think you are way underestimating the dead, if nukes go off in major cities. Millions would die in just one major city.

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Top 50 Cities in the U.S. by Population and Rank

	4/1/2000 census population	4/1/1990 census population	Numeric population change 1990–2000	Percent population change 1990–2000	Size rank 1990	Size rank 2000
New York, N.Y.	8,008,278	7,322,564	685,714	9.4	1	1
Los Angeles, Calif.	3,694,820	3,485,398	209,422	6.0	2	2
Chicago, Ill.	2,896,016	2,783,726	112,290	4.0	3	3
Houston, Tex.	1,953,631	1,630,553	323,078	19.8	4	4
Philadelphia, Pa.	1,517,550	1,585,577	–68,027	–4.3	5	5
Phoenix, Ariz.	1,321,045	983,403	337,642	34.3	10	6
San Diego, Calif.	1,223,400	1,110,549	112,851	10.2	6	7
Dallas, Tex.	1,188,580	1,006,877	181,703	18.0	8	8
San Antonio, Tex.	1,144,646	935,933	208,713	22.3	9	9
Detroit, Mich.	951,270	1,027,974	–76,704	–7.5	7	10
San Jose, Calif.	894,943	782,248	112,695	14.4	11	11
Indianapolis, Ind.	791,926	741,952	49,974	6.7	13	12
San Francisco, Calif.	776,733	723,959	52,774	7.3	14	13
Jacksonville, Fla.	735,617	635,230	100,387	15.8	15	14
Columbus, Ohio	711,470	632,910	78,560	12.4	16	15
Austin, Tex.	656,562	465,622	190,940	41.0	25	16
Baltimore, Md.	651,154	736,014	–84,860	–11.5	12	17
Memphis, Tenn.	650,100	610,337	39,763	6.5	18	18
Milwaukee, Wis.	596,974	628,088	–31,114	–5.0	17	19
Boston, Mass.	589,141	574,283	14,858	2.6	20	20
Washington, DC	572,059	606,900	–34,841	–5.7	19	21
Nashville-Davidson, Tenn.¹	569,891	510,784	59,107	11.6	26	22
El Paso, Tex.	563,662	515,342	48,320	9.4	22	23
Seattle, Wash.	563,374	516,259	47,115	9.1	21	24
Denver, Colo.	554,636	467,610	87,026	18.6	28	25
Charlotte, N.C.	540,828	395,934	144,894	36.6	33	26
Fort Worth, Tex.	534,694	447,619	87,075	19.5	29	27
Portland, Ore.	529,121	437,319	91,802	21.0	27	28
Oklahoma City, Okla.	506,132	444,719	61,413	13.8	30	29
Tucson, Ariz.	486,699	405,390	81,309	20.1	34	30
New Orleans, La.	484,674	496,938	–12,264	–2.5	24	31
Las Vegas, Nev.	478,434	258,295	220,139	85.2	63	32
Cleveland, Ohio	478,403	505,616	–27,213	–5.4	23	33
Long Beach, Calif.	461,522	429,433	32,089	7.5	32	34
Albuquerque, N.M.	448,607	384,736	63,871	16.6	40	35
Kansas City, Mo.	441,545	435,146	6,399	1.5	31	36
Fresno, Calif.	427,652	354,202	73,450	20.7	48	37
Virginia Beach, Va.	425,257	393,069	32,188	8.2	39	38
Atlanta, Ga.	416,474	394,017	22,457	5.7	38	39
Sacramento, Calif.	407,018	369,365	37,653	10.2	37	40
Oakland, Calif.	399,484	372,242	27,242	7.3	35	41
Mesa, Ariz.	396,375	288,091	108,284	37.6	53	42
Tulsa, Okla.	393,049	367,302	25,747	7.0	44	43
Omaha, Neb.	390,007	335,795	54,212	16.1	47	44
Minneapolis, Minn.	382,618	368,383	14,235	3.9	43	45
Honolulu CDP,² Hawaii	371,657	365,272	6,385	1.7	41	46
Miami, Fla.	362,470	358,548	3,922	1.1	46	47
Colorado Springs, Colo.	360,890	281,140	79,750	28.4	54	48
St. Louis, Mo.	348,189	396,685	–48,496	–12.2	42	49
Wichita, Kans.	344,284	304,011	40,273	13.2	51	50

1. Nashville-Davidson city is consolidated with Davidson County.

2. Honolulu Census Designated Place; by agreement with the State of Hawaii, the Census Bureau does not show data separately for the city of Honolulu, which is coextensive with Honolulu County.

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Thanks..that's some pretty interesting census data.

I was basing my 3M casualty numbers off of various published estimates that take into account kilotons per device.

It's often been estimated that a "suitcase nuke" (in the 1 - 10 KT range) would kill about 100,000 people and irradiate many more. (Possible long-term deaths would likely exceed 100,000 per device but I haven't seen hard numbers on this).

I'd always thought nukes have much more "range" than they seem to. Even the 10KT devices (which are the likely suitcase kind if memory serves me right) don't obliterate as much as you'd think. (This is from several sources like "Nuclear War Survival Skills" which is available online in a bunch of places).

One way or the other, it would make one heckuva mess. But the retaliation would be far, FAR worse - and the sponsor states know it, IMHO.

So, while there are PERHAPS (IMHO, though I still doubt it!) nukes on CONUS soil, I think the threat of MAD against sponsor countries prevent their use - now and for a long time to come. And, with each passing day - NEST (assuming they are out hunting) comes that much closer to finding them..or, the CIA/etc get that much more info from interrogations that help in the hunt.

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