Parents can teach kids to stop abductions

CNN ^ | 2-5-04 | N/A

[JustPiper]

The key to remaining safe lies in not leaving the place where the abductor approaches a child, said Bob Stuber of the Texas-based Escape School, which runs educational programs across the United States.

A kidnapper "wants to get out somewhere by himself," said Stuber, a former police officer and founder of the Escape School. "He may threaten the child, but he's not going to hurt the child right there. That's not what this is about. That takes place later."

[trussell]

Excellent post JustPiper. Bookmarked, so I can refer to it and teach my kids the valuable lessons included in this article.

My children were taken 2 years ago by their father. Just disappeared one day while I was at my vo-tech classes. My daughter was 6 and my son was 21 months. My daughter is very frightened by the idea of being abducted by her father or a stranger. This may help to give her peace of mind. I have already told her to never go quietly!! Always scream, and kick, and bite, and punch.

[Freedom2specul8]

Just posted this on another thread...would do good here too.

I just heard about the following website on the local news. I debated about whether I should post it or send it freepmail. I chose to post it...I don't endorse it, but leave it to YOU decide for YOURSELVES whether you think it could be a valuable tool.

If you want on or off either of these lists, please let me know...

http://perverted-justice.com/ Here is an excerpt from the associated article:
channel 9

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[Cindy]

Are you a parent sir?

[spunkets]

My initial comment was just a quick summary. The article from CNN had one useful piece of advice that I remembered, that was to fight back. The other was provided by a poster after a story, that was to have the right focus and attitude.

When the kids are young the parents have to watch at all times. There is no way they can be left out of sight. During that time they can be taught and later weaned at a pace that depends on their ability to demonstrate safe independent action to the hidden observer-the ever watchful perent.

What they are taught is very important if they are to really be able to defend themselves. Defense relies primarily on focus, attitude and skills. Both the CNN article and the Child Lures Prevention site fall far short of worthwhile material that would provide for an effective defense. Both for the parent as a teacher and the kid. Although they fall short, there is still some good stuff there. They also sell books w/o posting the content, or enough to know what you're buying.

Here's an example which indicates the mortal shortfall in their entire plan.

" Stress the importance of reporting rumors or threats of violence, including bomb threats and weapon possession by schoolmates. Reinforce that reporting can be done anonymously, but that school officials must be told for the safety of everyone."

They push nonviolence, ignorance, dependence and obfuscate the true nature of any confrontation the kid will experience. It's a clash of minds and will. They teach unabashedly that weapons possesion is a bad thing. The kid needs to know how to look around and improvise in a flash. For instance, some of the members of the flight that went down in PA on 9-11 attempted to boiled water to toss it on one, or more of the hijackers. Their reaction should have been for one guy to take the coffee maker and use it as a bludgeon, another to crack the pot and use it as a knife and another to take the cord and use it as a whip. There is also little use for a boxcutter against someone with a jacket, or shirt wrapped around their sleeve attacking with jabs, kicks and blocks, all at the same time.

That was just a mention of some of the skills. The others include being aware of your surroundings and the people in it, w/o making much of a conscious effort to do so. Being able to read the folks in those surroundings.

Like some others on the thread noted, martial arts schools are the best places to learn these things. Finding one that is worth it is work though. No aerobic type, community center dance and fun type, or simple method learning. You're after improving the mind primarily. The object is to gain the focus, attitude, self confidence, awareness and physical defensive skills to ward off an attack w/o even getting physical. The physical skills are usually never enough to overcome the attacker, it's the mental ones that will. That's what those other sites lack.

What a student is looking for first in one of those places is the what the school's owner and instructors offer the mind(as above). A good school will offer you that right away and let you know that the physical ain't coming soon and in many cases, not at all. That's, because it's a way of life. It's a way of life that differs from what the 2 above mentioned sites offer. Still, you'll learn that rotating your arms in a circle is one of the dumbest moves you can make. At least they will teach you an extremely effective attack, which in itself is the defense.

The best schools I have ever noted are the hard schools, Wing Chun, karate, ect. The only one I know offhand is the Degerburger(sp) academy in Chicago that teaches all arts and they tend to have pro instructors, that teach pros. Books are good too. For keeping other peoples hands off, wing chun has the best defensive stance and it's improved and illustrated by Bruce Lee( no it's not movie stuff) in The tao of wing chun, B. Lee. Other books are out there, but I don't remember the names.

With teaching from all sources, a kid will grow and never be a victim.

[spunkets]

tao of wing chunjeet kun do.(CRS)

[Samwise]

Will children be able to implement this advice? Perhaps. Perhaps not. But certainly not if they're not given the advice in the first place.

Try to teach them and then pray for their safety.

Thanks for the ping.

[thecabal]

Unfortunately, it looks like they found Carlie's body. It breaks my heart to see that security cam tape of her being lead away to the slaughter by that filthy piece of s***. Hopefully, this will teach people to fight back. Once you are taken away, your chances are slim.

[Steve Eisenberg]

Are you a parent sir?

Yes. Hopefully ones that sets my children achieveable tasks.

[Steve Eisenberg]

Hopefully, this will teach people to fight back.

Hopefully the right man has been caught and will be terribly punished, and such horrors will become less common so that people don't feel compelled to set for an 11 year old girl the impossible task of fighting back against an experienced 37 year old male kidnapper.

However, in this vale of tears, not all evil can be stopped. There will be people, evil and strong, in each generation. The task of stopping them is set for adults.

[Steve Eisenberg]

From a press report:

Smith's neighbors, Ron and Linda Thompson, said they're shocked by Smith's arrest, but concede that the man seen on the videotape looks like him. They said he has children and is always "great" with them.

No doubt. Satan is a clever and formidable opponent.

[thecabal]

Hopefully the right man has been caught and will be terribly punished, and such horrors will become less common so that people don't feel compelled to set for an 11 year old girl the impossible task of fighting back against an experienced 37 year old male kidnapper.

I don't know what to say about someone who advocates the complete destruction of a child's self-preservation instinct.

Impossible task? If she had resisted and screamed and yelled, maybe someone could have helped her. If she kicked him and ran, maybe she could have escaped. Look what your method got her.

Oh, and do you really think that our most terrible punishment, a lethal injection, will deter future psychos like this scum?

[GraceCoolidge]

You're right that stopping the evil is a task for adults, but like most of us, I don't intend to leave ANY stone unturned in trying to keep my children safe. People have mentioned a lot of different tactics on this thread, and no doubt, depending on personalities, stress reactions, etc., some would work better for certain children than others. Each parent has to figure out how best to teach their children to be safe. There also is no substitute for a watchful parent. The story that really got to me was the one, was it last year, where the woman grabbed a child from a shopping cart while the mother loaded the car. I think the perpetrator had been cruising a Wal Mart parking lot or something, but the child was recovered very quickly. As paranoid as I am, I would not have thought that mother was in a dangerous situation, but now I do. I told my own mother this morning that I feel like I won't let my son walk to the mailbox till he is twenty years old. And while I want to raise my son to be respectful to adults, etc., I am also thinking very hard about how I will teach him to fight with every fiber of his being if something like this ever happened to him. I do think children have got to be taught to fight off attackers. I agree with you 110% that this shouldn't be necessary, but in today's world, I am convinced that it is essential.

[spunkets]

" people don't feel compelled to set for an 11 year old girl the impossible task of fighting back against an experienced 37 year old male kidnapper. However, in this vale of tears, not all evil can be stopped. There will be people, evil and strong, in each generation. The task of stopping them is set for adults.

There are always going to be people like that.

"...people don't feel compelled to set for an 11 year old girl the impossible task of fighting back against an experienced 37 year old male kidnapper. The task of stopping them is set for adults."

The task of adults is to teach them the facts and how to escape and also fight back. Part of it means encourging them to not be listen to, or be afraid of people that teach and insist on nonviolence, or that they are inept, because they have no training. Teach the kid that they have little chance of survival in the end unless thay shove a knife through the attackers heart, slit their throat, or shove a pencil in their eye socket all the way down to the eraser.

Teach them that those attempting to disarm them in any way and lay sanctions on them for taking defensive actions are just as evil and maybe worse than the molester. It's called refusing to be a victim and it works.

Teach the kid what not to do. Then how to feign a display of fright, fear and the intractable child whithin, while at the same time holding internal composure. Teach them escape is their best chance, but if that fails and they catch you to swiftly turn around and kill them with the knife you gave them and the instruction on how to use it. I've taught several girls 8-11, that are still here, because they took and implemented that advice. I also taught my own daughter.

[spunkets]

"Satan is a clever and formidable opponent."

Teach your kids that satan is the biggest loser that ever was and not to fear him whatsoever. Teach them who he is, what he is up to so that they recognize him and oppose his minions. If his minions go after what is only yours, kill them and send them to their father.

[BibChr]

Thanks. Sucks that we have to think about the unthinkable — but preventing the unthinkable is eminently thinkable!

Dan

[2nd amendment mama]

"had parents like my wife and I, who do not teach stranger danger."

Sir, if you are not teaching your children about "stranger danger" then you are guilty of child abuse. All children should be taught to be wary of strangers!!!!!

[Oorang]

Oh dear. I've heard that recovery from the "former democrat" disease sometimes requires antibiotics.

[JustPiper]

Parent Resources

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http://www.childlures.com/parents/index.asp

[JustPiper]

Kristine Ford along with her son Bradon 3, place flowers and a bear at the carwash Friday, Feb 6, 2004, where officials say Carlie Brucia was abducted in Sarasota, Fla. The body of the 11-year-old girl whose abduction was captured by a surveillance camera, was found in a church parking lot a few miles from the car wash Friday and a mechanic has been charged with her murder. (AP Photo/David Kadlubowski)

Kurt Schorpen, right, uncle of 11-year-old Carlie Brucia, walks with an unidentified friend in front of a privacy barrier screening the family home Friday, Feb. 6, 2004, in Sarasota, Fla., past notes, flowers and stuffed animals left by supporters. Carlie's body was found Friday in a church parking lot, and a mechanic has been charged with her murder. Her abduction Sunday was captured by a surveillance camera. (AP Photo/Steve Nesius)

With a heavy heart I post this, Carlie I'm so sorry for what happened to you, you are now God's Angel and I ask him to have taken you home quickly. For Carlie's parents, your pain is so intense I could not comprehend it, but as a parent/grandparent my soul hurts for you.

Mechanic Charged in Slaying of Fla. Girl 9 minutes ago
By MITCH STACY, Associated Press Writer

SARASOTA, Fla. - A tattooed mechanic with a long rap sheet was charged with murder Friday after authorities found the body of an 11-year-old girl whose kidnapping was captured on a carwash surveillance camera.

Mechanic Charged in Slaying of Fla. Girl

[JustPiper]

My ex stole my eldest from here to Oklahoma, I got on a plane and brought her back, I know what you felt, it happened to us at Easter.