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Bush Budget To Predict FY '04 Deficit Over $500B (Is Big Spender Bush trying to lose the election?)
Quicken.com ^ | January 30, 2004 | Unknown

Posted on 01/30/2004 8:17:30 PM PST by TheEaglehasLanded

Bush Budget To Predict FY '04 Deficit Over $500B Thursday, January 29, 2004 04:01 PM ET Printer-friendly version

WASHINGTON [AP]--U.S. President George W. Bush's new budget will project that the just-enacted prescription drug program and Medicare overhaul will cost one- third more than previously estimated and will predict a deficit exceeding $500 billion for this year, congressional aides said Thursday.

Bush's new budget will estimate this year's budget deficit at about $520 billion, the congressional sources said. That would easily surpass the $375 billion shortfall of last year, the highest deficit ever in dollar terms.

Just Monday, the Congressional Budget Office projected this year's red ink would total $477 billion.

The new estimate comes as Bush braces for a difficult election-season fight with Congress over spending - after a budget year that he can hardly expect to top.

Instead of a $400 billion 10-year price tag, Bush's 2005 budget will estimate the Medicare bill's cost at about $540 billion, said aides who spoke on condition of anonymity. Bush will submit on Monday a federal budget for the fiscal year 2005, which starts next Oct. 1.

Bush just signed the Medicare measure into law last month. While it was moving through Congress, Bush, White House officials and congressional Republican leaders had assured doubting conservatives that the bill's costs would stay within the $400 billion estimate.

Some conservatives voted against the legislation anyway, and many of them are already angry that Bush has presided over excessive increases in spending and budget deficits.

"I'm not the least bit surprised," said conservative Rep. John Shadegg, R- Ariz., who voted against the Medicare bill in November and who said he had heard that the cost estimate would rise. "Historically, our estimates of what these programs will cost have been so far off as to be meaningless."

White House budget office spokesman Chad Kolton wouldn't comment on the Medicare figures. But an administration official, speaking on condition of anonymity, acknowledged that the estimate would rise to nearly $540 billion.

"Both numbers provide what you can call a reasonable range of possible future costs for Medicare," the official said. "These are complex estimates, based on hundreds of individual programs, decisions and potential actions over an extended period of time."

CBO, Congress' nonpartisan fiscal analyst, estimated the bill's 10-year cost at $395 billion. But administration officials repeatedly stood by the $400 billion figure, which Bush had included in the budget he proposed last February.

Although Bush sends his 2005 budget to Congress next week, lawmakers only last week completed their spending work for 2004. That process saw Bush win virtually all his major priorities including a tax cut, new Medicare prescription drug coverage, funds to fight a war with Iraq, and overall spending restraint.

"He wanted a carpet that looked like X, and generally speaking he got a carpet that looked like X," said Richard Kogan, who analyzes the budget for the liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

The Republican-run Congress avoided overt clashes with Bush but didn't roll over completely.

Lawmakers trimmed his defense plans while boosting funds for highways, Amtrak and veterans. They ignored Bush's plan to make tax cuts permanent, scaled back his proposal to stop taxing corporate dividends, derailed his energy bill and added thousands of home-district projects to spending measures.

Even so, the results were a far cry from the "dead on arrival" label applied to the spending blueprints of some of Bush's recent predecessors. Democrats and moderate Republicans often gave that assessment to plans written by the first President Bush and President Ronald Reagan, who were forced to accept both tax and spending increases.

On the other hand, despite the GOP takeover of Congress two years into his tenure, President Bill Clinton won frequent spending concessions from lawmakers wary of battling him. Bush has followed a similar pattern.

"It would be hard to say he's not getting what he wants," Stan Collender, a senior vice president who follows the budget for the accounting firm Fleischman- Hillard.

Bush has yet to cast a veto after three years in office. He often uses the threat of a veto to get his way, issuing 19 as Congress considered the 13 annual spending bills for this year. In the end, lawmakers dropped challenges on issues like administration plans to change overtime pay rules and divert more government work to private contractors.

Major priorities Bush proposed last year included:

- Tax reductions of $1.3 trillion over 10 years. The bill he signed had $330 billion in tax cuts. That number is expected to grow should lawmakers, as anticipated, make some of its temporary reductions permanent. Congress added $20 billion he didn't seek for financially strapped states.

- $400 billion over a decade for revamping Medicare and adding prescription drug coverage. Bush last month signed a bill resembling his proposal.

- $87 billion this year for wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, $500 million less than he got. The final bill gave him $1.7 billion less than the $18.6 billion he wanted to rebuild Iraq and less flexibility than he wanted for controlling the money.


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KEYWORDS: 520billiondeficit; bigspender; bush; fy2005
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To: Texasforever
Holy cow...word for word quotes from there!

I wonder just WHO is running that site.

21 posted on 01/30/2004 11:23:48 PM PST by nopardons
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To: rebel
I'll vote constitution party. Bush pisses on conservatives and tells us he buy us a rain coat.

Do that, another marginal vote for a party of marginal clout , but incredible money gathering, sort of like David Duke.I think a goodly number of the "pissed upon"have done it to themselves. I love the wails of false betrayal, and the faux angst of "not conservative " enough. and the suspect protest of "principle" The only principle I see in common is the desire to lose and take everyone else down in a populist tantrum.

22 posted on 01/30/2004 11:24:36 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: Texasforever
We know where these people get their ideas. Wonder how many on that site are actually RATs pretending to be Conservatives. I wish I remembered how to find the owner of a website.

Did you know that the Kerry blog is being run by one of the board members of Rats.com which is owned by Hillary's IT guy from the White House?
23 posted on 01/30/2004 11:26:06 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04)
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To: Doctor Stochastic; Texasforever; onyx
Bush's deficits are about the size of Carter's budgets.

Interesting statement. Would you mind showing us the numbers proving this?

24 posted on 01/30/2004 11:26:15 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: nopardons
I was asking the same thing -- WHO is running that site. Would hazard to guess it was set up by a RAT!
25 posted on 01/30/2004 11:27:01 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04)
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To: PhiKapMom
A RAT or a Libertarian; often the same thing. :-)
26 posted on 01/30/2004 11:29:11 PM PST by nopardons
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To: TheEaglehasLanded
Congress spends the money!!!!!!!!!!!! Newt Balanced the budget. Hassert ruined the budget. Congress is out of control. STOP CONGRESS NOW>
27 posted on 01/30/2004 11:29:32 PM PST by Brimack34
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To: rebel
What makes you sure it's Bush and not your own incontinence ?
28 posted on 01/30/2004 11:31:23 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons; Texasforever
A RAT or a Libertarian; often the same thing. :-) Ever notice how many of the "It's an Amnesty " knotheads claim to be voting Libertarian? Aren't they pro open borders? Isn't that a little bit like plaing Russian Roulette with an automatic? It would make sense;they can get their dope easier that way.Otherwise ,Rats is bad disguises.
29 posted on 01/30/2004 11:33:30 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: gatorbait
It is a nice gambit but completely irrelevant. Carter's budgets and deficits actually were larger once 20% inflation and 12% interest payments on debt were factored in.
30 posted on 01/30/2004 11:33:55 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: PhiKapMom
Here is another one
http://world.std.com/~3Diff/rab.html
31 posted on 01/30/2004 11:40:17 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: PhiKapMom
Yet another one

http://www.aarab.org/
32 posted on 01/30/2004 11:42:21 PM PST by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
Carter's budgets and deficits actually were larger once 20% inflation and 12% interest payments on debt were factored in.

Exactly so.Seems the good "Dr" was trying to dazzle us with numbing, numbered brilliance , instead it was non baffling fertilizer. Sad part, any bets he knew it, too?

33 posted on 01/30/2004 11:45:33 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: Mr. Mojo
The only time I have heard of him threatening a veto was over the Veterans bill, allowing disabled vets to collect both their retirement and disability. Too expensive don't ya know. Better to send ten bil to talk africans into keeping their zippers zipped, or loin clothes folded, whatever. Better to send 34 bil in Social Security funds to Mexican invaders over five years, not to mention a trillion for Mars, Bush's native planet.
34 posted on 01/30/2004 11:49:55 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: gatorbait
The vast majority of FR's big and little " L " Libertarians constantly claim that they are against about 96& of the LP's platform. GOD only knows why they call themselves Libertarians...I certainly would NOT align myself to a party and say that I was going to vote for its candidates, when I so adamantly disagreed with that much of the party.

Then, there are the Constitution Party ravers, supporting a party and a candidate that just about NO ONE, out side of those here on FR have ever even heard of.

The mind boggles.

35 posted on 01/30/2004 11:50:20 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
GOD only knows why they call themselves Libertarians...

Sounds better than petulant unappeasables, I suppose.

36 posted on 01/30/2004 11:57:14 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: Texasforever; nopardons; gatorbait
Dang! Unbelieveable.

Seems to me some of the "Libs" on here better go read their own platform -- open borders -- refugees welcome, all open trade (what about NAFTA they gripe about?), as long as it is consensual sex it is okay with anyone, no stand on abortion except the Government has no right to interfer, and the list goes on.

Can someone tell me how a group of Anti-Bush Freepers that claim to be "Libs" can go on immigration threads and Bash Bush when their own Party is for open borders and welcome to all?
37 posted on 01/30/2004 11:58:08 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04)
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To: Texasforever
Don't forget during Carter we had 16% mortgage rates and sometimes higher!
38 posted on 01/30/2004 11:59:15 PM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04)
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To: nopardons
All I've found so far, but...

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Expiration Date: 16-jun-2004
39 posted on 01/30/2004 11:59:25 PM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Four hours is too long for a Democrat to sit in the Oval Office, let alone four years. Vote W '04)
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To: MissAmericanPie
Veterans bill, allowing disabled vets to collect both their retirement and disability

No, it was over veterans collecting disability pensions and SS disability at the same time. Once they reach retirement age both benefits remain in tact and are collected in full.

40 posted on 01/31/2004 12:00:12 AM PST by Texasforever
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