Who says George W. Bush has done "nothing" for conservatives?

WhiteHouse.gov; various news sources ^ | 1/27/04

[BigSkyFreeper]

"...I agree with OWF, "panic attacks" are worrisome."

Agreed, the last thing that needs to happen is the GOP and Bush-bots and supporters to be panicking on January 27, 2004, nearly 10 months out from the election. As Rush said yesterday that nearly half of the electorate doesn't even pay attention to the process until 2 weeks before the general election.

[nopardons]

Dumb....me ? Hey, I'm not the one who posted that jumble of garbage; you did And as far as " logic ", or " fallacy ", or " logical fallacy ", look up the definitions, before you decide to string words together.

You can't debate, you can't refute the article of this thread, but you certainly can drop poop, personal attacks,and then attempt to claim the " high road ", childishly.

Refute the list at the top of this thread, instead of churlishly going off topic.

[TomasUSMC]

Abortion & Traditional Values

Some people say that President Bush has done alot on the issues of Abortion & Traditional Values. How many innocent unborn babies are murdered everyday now. More than 3000 everyday. It has not gone down. Partial Birth Abortion is not even one percent of that. President Bush has encouraged RINOs like Arnold, who don't fight against abortion and who don't fight against Homosexuality and the Gay Agenda. A conservative is not someone who tolerates evil. A conservative fights against evil. Leads the way.

Budget, Taxes & Economy

Some say El Presidente has done well on the Budget, Taxes and the economy. Wrong. He has increased spending during the time he is cutting taxes during the time he is waging a war. Bad combination. In war you raise taxes, you sacrifice. War bonds. Its the peoples money but remember its the peoples debt also. You wanna cut them taxes? Cut em after you done paid the bills. Instead he talks about cutting the deficit by half in five year. Cutting the deficit is not like cutting the debt. What he plans on doing is increasing the debt over 5 years. NO TALK of balanced budgets at all.
And if we were not following this nutty compassionate conservatism combat idea in Iraq that has us rebuilding the Muslim enemy, we'd be saving 87 billion a year.
Then lets not forget the jobs that El Presidente is giving away, every which way, anyway he can. El Presidente gives millions of jobs to Illegal invaders of our country. He does not protect the borders ( this in a time of war!) He gives unlimited yes unlimited amounts, hundreds of thousands of our Hi tech jobs to non- Americans with H1B visas. ( the exceptions from the caps have no caps) L1 visas take more jobs. And his ludicrous love affair with Nafta is uprooting even more jobs and sending them south to the land of $10/day wages. Oh yeah El Presidente is doing loads for America, well maybe South and Central America.

Defense & Foreign Policy
9/11/01. Its now 04 and we are still mucking around with these worthless Muslim terrorist. A real President would have gone to the list the state department publishes every year of countries that sponsor terror. Picked one and told 'em that It'd be a good Idea if the folks in that capital city went camping, cause there was gonna be a rather nasty mushroom type explosion there in the next couple of days. Not years, not 87 billion dollars later, not ten years later, but days. Instead we have replaced Courage in defending our country to that weasel term of compassion. When you replace courageous action with compassion you end up with cowardly results. Has the President added Divisions to the Marines and Army? No. Wings to the Air Force. No. The greatest most powerful nation on earth is still mucking around with Islamic terrorist. This is buying time for the terrorist. Everyday they develop more powerful weapons. El Presidente should have declared Martial Law on 9/11 - he who hesitates is lost.
El Presidente needs to start deporting more, spending less, conserving American Jobs, and killing many more of the enemy much faster using the weapons we have before our enemies close the weapons gap.
and telling the truth about Islam. A religion of not peace Islam is a religion of Conquest.

[PhiKapMom]

ROFLOL!!!!!!!!!!! Then you have not met the pro-drug crowd right here on FR.

Not regulated sounds an awfully like pro-drugs to me! But then who am I -- just a Conservative Republican.

Libertarians have earned my "zero" respect with their platform! Anyone who criticizes Pres Bush for his Immigration Plan that is a Libertarian better go read their own platform calling for open borders for all immigrants!

[nopardons]

LOL ... I hope you used the heavy duty kind. :-)

[FirstPrinciple]

Partial birth abortion will not stop one single abortion. All that it would do is probably abourt the same fetuses that would have been aborted by PBA early on.

[George W. Bush]

Then I wanted him to run in 1996. You are talking to a big Jim Baker fan here!

You could probably get me to vote for him in '08. Great guy. Classy.

[autoresponder]

Reread my post.

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2-3 illegal aliens paid under the table at $12 an hour

2 x $12 = $24 hour cost (NO TAXES)

3 x $12 = $35 hour cost (NO TAXES)

ILLEGAL ALIEN gets 100% of the $12 hour

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ONE (1) LEGAL US worker on the books with TAXES & DEDUCTIONS

1 x $12 hour really costs an honest employer $24-$36 an hour

The honest worker has taxes, SS, Medicare, etc deducted

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A crooked employer hiring and paying illegal aliens "off the books"

Pays zero:

state Unemployment tax

state Worker*s Comp nsurance premiums

Social Security

Quarterly fed, state, city income taxes

Medicare to feds

Etc.

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An illegal alien hired and paid off the books is a criminal offense by employer and the illegal alien

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Corrupy dishonest employers hire illegal aliens who keep 100% of their cash pay

$12 hour gross = $12 hour net

$15 hour gross - $14 hour net

$18 hour gross = $18 hour net

$20 hour gross - $20 hour net

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Employer pays nothing extra

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You obviously never took accounting or ran a business or you would know all of this simple basic stuff

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Crooked employers and illegal aliens do it to beat the system for greed and let honest US citzens end up with the hospital tab, unpaid taxes (services) , Workers Comp, Food Stamps, Social Services, Public School costs per student.

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You realize this, right?

One honest minority paid $12 hour take home $9-$10 an hour

One illegal alien paid $12 hour takes home $12 an hour

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Hidden cost savings by a crooked employer of illegal aliens lets him hire 2-3 illegals at what he most pay for one honest taxpaying US citizen.

Why should he hire 1 when if he goes crooked he can have 2-3 workers for the same expense?

No books, no deductions, no red tape.

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Both employer and illegal alien workers paid under the table are stealing from honest competing businesses and honest workers and the services, hospitals, government agencies that are sucked dry by these corrupt criminals.

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Don*t tell me any illegal alien can or will outwork any US minority if paid legally the same exact amount.

That is BS.

I can outwork anyone you have ever seen and worked with American blacks that can keep up with me and do more than you could ever dream of; in the military and in civilian life.

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If you condone or hire illegal aliens I have nothing but contempt for you and your lack of honesty.

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No reply needed or responded to on this subject.

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If you can read or comprehend at a 6 year old*s level you would not have challenged my clear concise post.

[Sir Gawain]

Dumb....me ? Hey, I'm not the one who posted that jumble of garbage; you did And as far as " logic ", or " fallacy ", or " logical fallacy ", look up the definitions, before you decide to string words together.

I'll overlook your poor syntax while you were trying to cut me down. It's really a shame that you don't know the meaning of the term "ad hominem" since that was exactly what your post and Neets' post was.

You can't debate, you can't refute the article of this thread, but you certainly can drop poop, personal attacks,and then attempt to claim the " high road ", childishly.

Personal attacks? LOL. And I thought victimhood was strictly for liberals. Guess I was mistaken.

[nopardons]

You bet they're LIBERALS ! In fact, they're pretty close to the GREENIES.

FR's Libertarians keep screaming, when confronted by the LP platform and what the LP candidates and higher ups say, that they don't agree with much, if any of those things. Then WHY do they call themselves Libertarians ? LOL

[PhiKapMom]

#798! You can trash me but don't you dare trash my daughter's sorority. That is not right -- you leave my kids out of your negative remarks! You can make remarks about me but making remarks about either of my children that belong to a sorority and a fraternity are off limits. Do you get the message?

Your nothing but a disruptor who happens to be a recent new poster. Why don't you come clean and tell us which RAT camp you belong to!

[MEG33]

Doubled ,shiny side out.Very "au courant".

[PhiKapMom]

I wouldn't mind voting for him in 2008 either!

[nopardons]

You don"t know what a " police state " is! It's just one of the many " code " words/terms that Libertarians throw out there, as though it was a " truth "/fact; which it isn't.

And many of FR's Libertarians ARE self admitted dope users.

[FirstPrinciple]

I am all for open borders. But, I am not for open borders and welfare for illegal immigrants because that gives them incentives for breaking the law and then live off of our generosity. If they do not want a dime from the US govt and promises not to commit any crime, then let them all in.

Your claim about drugs is ridiculous. Just because someone is not for regulating drugs, it doesn't mean they actively want people to do drugs. There are lots of things that are not regulated, like rap music, but no one in the govt wants to ban them. You can disapprove of something and not engage in that life-style without banning it for everyone. You cannot be a conservative because you don't believe in self-government. If you believe in self-government you govern yourself first before you govern others. All you are saying is that you are too weak to govern yourself and want some other entity to regulate things in life. That is faith and trust in big government - something that liberals like. But, then again, who am I to judge? I am just a conservative.

[MeekOneGOP]

hehe ! :O)

[FirstPrinciple]

I have said nothing about your daughter. You have made disparaging remarks about Libertarians, but I am not asking you to leave my friends and family alone. Lots of girls are at a-o-pi, sadly, but I have said nothing personally against your daughter. Any insinuation that I did is a vicious lie.

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks for the positive summation. Of course the born losers in life, the third party whiners who hate GW more than any rat, spewed out their mantras of "Hate GW" with the same old names and some with new names. Remember the reality that they are about 1-2% of the voters. They never voted for GW, and their only accomplishment in their lives was to insure two elections wins for the Clintoon, when there were more of them.

THE AXIS OF WHINING WEASELS IS TOTALLY IRRELEVANT IN 2004!

[George W. Bush]

I wouldn't mind voting for him in 2008 either!

With Tom DeLay as VP maybe.

You know, I'm actually quite a big fan of some Texas politicians. Surprising, I hadn't quite realized that I had such a soft spot for Texas politicians.

And Ron Paul is from Texas. Another favorite. How did I let them sneak up on me like this?

I guess there's worse things. </Yankee drawl>

[FirstPrinciple]

Who cares if they are dope users? Have they ever forced you to take any? If you don't know what a police state is, just get pulled over with an ounce of weed and you will find out very quickly.