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Interview with David Kay - "I don't think [stockpiles of biological and chemical weapons] existed"
IOL/Reuters ^ | 1-24-04

Posted on 01/24/2004 8:37:33 AM PST by tallhappy

Here are excerpts of a telephone interview conducted with David Kay, after he stepped down as the chief United States arms hunter in Iraq:


Why did you decide to step down?

It was, as usually it is in these cases, a complex set of issues, it related in part to a reduction in the resource and a change in focus of ISG (Iraq Survey Group). When I had started out, I had made it a condition that ISG be exclusively focused on WMD. That's no longer so. The reduction of resources. And the reason those were important is, and at least to me they were important, is I didn't feel that we could complete the task as quickly as I thought it important to complete the task, unless we exclusively focused ISG.


You're talking about that they were asking some of the analysts to do the insurgency work, right?

Yes.


Is it true that one of the reasons you wanted to step down was because you don't believe that anything will be found?

No. No, that wasn't the reason. In fact, the reason I thought it important to complete everything is that ... by the time we get to June ... we're not going to find much after June. Once the Iraqis take complete control of the government it is just almost impossible to operate in the way that we operate. In fact it was already becoming tough. We had an important ministry that would not allow its people to be interviewed unless they had someone present. It was like the old regime.

I think we have found probably 85 percent of what we're going to find.

The country is such and he hid so much that you can probably spend the next decade of your life in the country, and you will find things, but I think in terms of understanding that program, we're well on the way, almost at the end, so that you can say what went wrong, what they had."


What happened to the stockpiles of biological and chemical weapons that everyone expected to be there?

I don't think they existed.

I think there were stockpiles at the end of the first Gulf War and those were a combination of U.N. inspectors and unilateral Iraqi action got rid of them. I think the best evidence is that they did not resume large-scale production, and that's what we're really talking about, is large stockpiles, not the small. Large stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons in the period after '95.


After '95?

We're really talking about from the mid-90s, when people thought they had resumed production


What about the nuclear program?

The nuclear program was as we said in the interim report, I think that will be a final conclusion. There had been some restart of activities, but they were rudimentary.

It really wasn't dormant because there were a few little things going on, but it had not resumed in anything meaningful.


You came away from the hunt that you have done believing that they did not have any large stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons in the country?

That is correct.


Is that from the interviews and documentation?

Well the interviews, the documentation, and the physical evidence of looking at, as hard as it was because they were dealing with looted sites, but you just could not find any physical evidence that supported a larger program.


Do you think they destroyed it?

No, I don't think they existed.


Even though in the mid-1980s people said they used it on Halabja?

They had stockpiles, they fought the Iranians with it, and they certainly did use it on the Kurds. But what everyone was talking about is stockpiles produced after the end of the last (1991) Gulf War and I don't think there was a large-scale production program in the '90s.


What are you going to do now?

I'm going back to the private sector. I know that. But I haven't done anything. I said I wouldn't do that until I left.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: biological; chemical; david; davidkay; iraq; iraqiwmds; kay; weapons; wmd
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To: goodnesswins
Respectfully, a problem I see w/your analogy is that in place of a one on one confrontation w/said murderer, we demanded that young men and women do our bidding in Iraq.

We -the average Joe or Jane looking to the Government for protection- defended and continue to defend ourselves by proxy. I'm not saying that I don't understand or think it necessary to do so, only that it carries a moral weight much heavier than the illustration you referenced.

I think that this story has the power to hurt President Bush in that it will make it very, very difficult in the future to pursue potential threats based on the same rationale.

21 posted on 01/24/2004 9:17:17 AM PST by AlbionGirl ("Ha cambiato occhi per la coda.")
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To: aristeides
Two Iraqi scientists that were talking to Kay were assassinated by Saddam's thugs.

Why would they bother if there was no WMD?
22 posted on 01/24/2004 9:19:37 AM PST by Selene
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To: eyespysomething
It's the intelligence, stupid.

No, it was stupid intelligence.

23 posted on 01/24/2004 9:20:14 AM PST by pickemuphere
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To: Selene
Two Iraqi scientists that were talking to Kay were assassinated by Saddam's thugs. Why would they bother if there was no WMD?

Link?

24 posted on 01/24/2004 9:22:04 AM PST by pickemuphere
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To: Selene
Why would they bother if there was no WMD?

Haven't a lot of other Iraqis who were thought to be cooperating with the occupiers been killed?

25 posted on 01/24/2004 9:23:35 AM PST by aristeides
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To: pickemuphere
I think Kay told Tony Snow this in an interview.
26 posted on 01/24/2004 9:23:49 AM PST by RandallFlagg ("There are worse things than crucifixion...There are teeth.")
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To: goodnesswins
Say there's a guy in your neighborhood who says he has a gun, and he wants to kill your family....YOU do NOT really KNOW if he has a gun, and he hasn't attempted to kill your family lately, but, he sure talks a lot about it, and he has family members saying the same thing....WHAT would YOU DO?

Except the fact that the 'guy' isn't in your neighborhood, he's three cities away, he has no transportation to get to your neighborhood, and after a few minutes of observation you realize he was just talking trash to appear to be the big guy in his neighborhood.

27 posted on 01/24/2004 9:23:52 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice.)
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To: pickemuphere
That's what I mean. Bush should come out strong on this.

Also, he said from the beginning that a big reason was to free the people from Saddam's grip of terror. They should have played that angle more to the American people, and the UN.

Still, someone has to answer for the intelligence.

It was a just war, and will remain one.

28 posted on 01/24/2004 9:27:26 AM PST by eyespysomething (Another American optimist!)
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To: pickemuphere
Two Iraqi scientists that were talking to Kay were assassinated by Saddam's thugs. Why would they bother if there was no WMD?
Link?
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It was on PBS Frontline two nights ago. Kay seemed quite disturbed by it.
29 posted on 01/24/2004 9:27:46 AM PST by Selene
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To: tallhappy
The left and dems will use this big time to beat the dead BushLied horse.

You're right. I just had a dicussion with a co-worker about this.

Of course, he didn't lie. Here's quotes on what he said. Look at Dubya's comments. He never says Iraq has WMD. He uses phrases like "we have sources that tell us" and "our intelligence officials estimate."

I have no doubt he believed what he was saying.

Note that the site's an anti-Bush site.

30 posted on 01/24/2004 9:27:57 AM PST by Tribune7 (Vote Toomey April 27)
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To: Allan
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31 posted on 01/24/2004 9:28:42 AM PST by keri
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To: tallhappy
I was always leery of using WMD as the sole premise for going to war.
I knew that we had bombed the heck out of them for 10 years, and that most chem and bio weapons have a 'shelf-life' of only a few years, there wasn't going to be "tons and tons" of these weapons as Cheney kept saying.
They should have at least 2 points, one being humanitarian, many on the left would have gone along, and could not then accuse Bush of lying.
32 posted on 01/24/2004 9:32:29 AM PST by CMClay
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To: Tribune7
Bookmarking
33 posted on 01/24/2004 9:34:12 AM PST by RandallFlagg ("There are worse things than crucifixion...There are teeth.")
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To: CMClay
Bush will be accused of lying no matter what he says. Bill Clinton was never accused of this after his statement in 1998.
34 posted on 01/24/2004 9:38:23 AM PST by UB355
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To: billbears
OKay...so change the story....THE "guy" has NUCLEAR capabilities, or is trying to get them to blow YOUR neighborhood to smithereens....by proxy.
35 posted on 01/24/2004 9:41:04 AM PST by goodnesswins (Poverty is more about the "mental" than the "money.")
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To: goodnesswins
Except the fact that we had already ransacked the guy's house, his own family in 1995 comes out and admits he has no gun and hasn't for many years, and the 'nuclear' story has questionable beginnings at best. Not the best reasons to go burn the guy's house down I'd say
36 posted on 01/24/2004 9:48:48 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice.)
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To: All
We saw it live on TV: Missiles which would go beyond the specified limits. The Iraqis protested that they would not go that far. But we found that to be a bare-faced lie.

Fool me once, shape on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

The words "I think" means Kay doesn't know not that they don't exist.

Blix's words were: "Unless they take them to us, we will never find them".

37 posted on 01/24/2004 9:48:52 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: steve50
"...but I think he's gone either before or shortly after the election anyway."

Cheney's off the ticket?
38 posted on 01/24/2004 9:52:10 AM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (Dogs have masters; Cats have staff...)
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To: billbears
Not the best reasons to go burn the guy's house down I'd say

Why do you think Iraq belonged to Saddam Hussein?

39 posted on 01/24/2004 9:56:03 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: billbears
Oh, I forgot....he's been raping and pillaging the rest of his neighbors, and they've been TRYING to deal with him, but it hasn't worked.....which is why WE ransacked his house in the first place.....but, hey, who care, let 'em be....it's NOT OUR PROBLEM....yet
40 posted on 01/24/2004 10:02:37 AM PST by goodnesswins (Poverty is more about the "mental" than the "money.")
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