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Ice on Mars: Americans Pour Cold Water on 'Eureka Moment' [Sorry EuroWeenies, we discovered it 1st]
Scotsman ^ | 1-23-04 | Scotsman

Posted on 01/23/2004 12:54:02 PM PST by ambrose

Ice on Mars: Americans Pour Cold Water on 'Eureka Moment'

By John von Radowitz, Science Correspondent, PA News

American space experts today poured cold water on Mars Express scientists' "eureka moment" - the first direct evidence of Earth-like ice on the Red Planet.

Excited European Space Agency controllers said their orbiting space craft had detected frozen water at the Martian south pole.

The scientists described the find as a "eureka moment" and said it confirmed the possibility that Mars once harboured life.

But there was a cool reception among experts at the American space agency, Nasa, to the claim.

They pointed out that in the last two years the Nasa spacecraft Mars Odyssey had already detected large amounts of ice mixed with Martian soil as little as 18 inches from the surface.

Orlando Figueroa, Nasa's Mars exploration director, said: "Our Odyssey spacecraft that has been orbiting Mars since 2001 did discover vast amounts of frozen water in the northern and southern latitudes. And we were surprised by the fact that there was so much, and so close to the surface.

"So it's not new news, but we are happy to see that their (ESA's) satellite is also able to pick up where it exists."

The European Space Agency hit back by saying Odyssey's findings were based on indirect evidence such as measuring temperature data and detecting hydrogen.

Mars Express had used an infrared camera to analyse vapours of water molecules themselves.

The mission's manager of spacecraft operations, Allen Moorhouse, said: "You look at the picture, look at the fingerprint, and say this is water ice. This is the first direct confirmation."

ESA's director of science, Professor David Southwood, said: "Previous measurements have been indirect and this is the first time we have direct indications of molecules that are present in water.

"Of course, finding anything that has to do with water on Mars is a sort of holy grail. This is certainly better than anything we've had so far."

Mars Express has also sent back spectacular pictures of the Martian surface in detail not seen before.

The 3D images show winding valleys, deep gorges, cliffs, craters and table-top mountains.

Details as fine as dust blowing over the rims of craters are visible, and some features clearly indicate erosion caused by flowing water long ago in the planet's past.

One of the most dramatic pictures shows the giant mouth of a volcano, Albor Tholus, taken from the viewpoint of an observer approaching it in a low-flying aircraft.

Dr John Murray, a member of the stereo camera imaging team from the Department of Earth Sciences at the Open University, said: "The pictures are absolutely spectacular.

"If it were Earth, large buildings like Buckingham Palace would definitely be visible, and certainly roads.

"These are not snapshots but panoramic images in a 65 kilometre-wide strip that goes on as long as you like. We can look forwards and down, and backwards, and reconstruct the stereo image into a virtual model.

"The astounding thing is although some of them might look like paintings, these are real images, not artist's impressions.

"You get real information - for instance you can measure the altitude of every point very accurately. It's more detailed than what you had in an Ordnance Survey map 20 years ago."

He was convinced the images would settle any remaining doubt about whether there was ever water on Mars.

Too many of the features could only have been created by flowing water, Dr Murray said.

One image showed an area of the surface that had collapsed, almost certainly because of ice melting beneath it.

Channels flowed out from the feature and appeared to empty into a wide, low plain.

Another prominent feature, Reull Vallis, showed a vast winding valley as wide as the English Channel, which appeared to have dark sediment on its floor.

"It has to be water," said Dr Murray.

Nasa confirmed it had regained contact with its Mars rover Spirit, which has landed in a crater on the Red Planet.

The six-wheeled craft had stopped communicating with Earth, but engineers received a 10 minute signal today.

A second rover, Opportunity, is due to land on another part of Mars at 0505 GMT on Sunday.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: euroweenies; eussr; mars; martians; nasa; neenerneener; space; spaceprogram; spacerace2
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1 posted on 01/23/2004 12:54:02 PM PST by ambrose
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To: ambrose
Sounds as if both methods were indirect to me.
2 posted on 01/23/2004 12:59:29 PM PST by Ingtar (Understanding is a three-edged sword : your side, my side, and the truth in between ." -- Kosh)
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3 posted on 01/23/2004 1:01:20 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (The only good news for Democrats is they could save $$ by switching to Geico.)
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To: ambrose
EU: "WHoo hooo! The world is round!!!"
NASA: "Really? We, like, knew that for years..."
4 posted on 01/23/2004 1:01:36 PM PST by smith288 ("YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWW" - Howard Dean)
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To: ambrose
Looks like this article leans pretty hard towards the ESA doing it better.
I think when it comes to space exploration, we're all Earthlings.
5 posted on 01/23/2004 1:05:03 PM PST by brownsfan (I didn't leave the democratic party, the democratic party left me.)
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To: brownsfan
I'll buy that - except most sheep don't care about space, except in the context of competition. It took Sputnik to like a fire under behinds in the first place.
6 posted on 01/23/2004 1:07:51 PM PST by ambrose
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To: ambrose
One image showed an area of the surface that had collapsed, almost certainly because of ice melting beneath it

Bush and his radical agenga are now causing global warming on Mars! We should have signed Kyoto. . . :)
7 posted on 01/23/2004 1:26:32 PM PST by jtminton (2Timothy 4:2)
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To: jtminton
agenga=agenda
8 posted on 01/23/2004 1:26:54 PM PST by jtminton (2Timothy 4:2)
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To: ambrose
http://www.esa.int/export/esaCP/index.html
9 posted on 01/23/2004 1:35:11 PM PST by witnesstothefall
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To: ambrose
Who first figured out that Mars had polar ice caps? Upon this discovery, shouldn't it have been glaringly obvious that Mars had/has water?

Methinks that discovery was either American or Russian, but not Eurotrash.
10 posted on 01/23/2004 1:35:17 PM PST by Blzbba
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To: ambrose
"Previous measurements have been indirect and this is the first time we have direct indications of molecules that are present in water.

Both of these groups of scientists might think about wandering down to the philosophy dept and spending a few minutes with almost anyone they might meet there. Surprising the Brits aren't a little more on their game in this respect.

11 posted on 01/23/2004 1:40:01 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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EU: "WHoo hooo!....years..."

Richard Sea Hoaxland: "I've been predicting and telling the NASA guys that for years. Now if NASA would stop doctoring all the pictures proving life on Mars..."

12 posted on 01/23/2004 1:40:04 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Blzbba
it have been glaringly obvious that Mars had/has water?

The polar caps were known to be frozen CO2. Now it is known there is some H2O mixed in.

13 posted on 01/23/2004 1:42:03 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: ambrose
Here's a real stunner:

http://www.esa.int/export/externals/images/3D_large2.jpg

14 posted on 01/23/2004 1:43:44 PM PST by witnesstothefall
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To: witnesstothefall
Their color representation is mostly artistic. SAR images are kind of interesting in that they can be manipulated in data-processing ways to look 3-D even though they are not 'pictures.'
15 posted on 01/23/2004 1:47:13 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: ambrose
The Viking pics plainly show snow on Mars.
16 posted on 01/23/2004 1:48:00 PM PST by djf
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To: djf
Skiing on Mars! I can dream, can't I?
17 posted on 01/23/2004 1:58:20 PM PST by ambrose
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To: djf
I believe that the white substance in the image has been thought to be frozen CO2 (dry ice) rather than water ice.
18 posted on 01/23/2004 2:00:38 PM PST by Lonely NY Conservative
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To: RightWhale
So what? Every single Hubble or Chandra image we exclaim over is processed and dressed up as well.
19 posted on 01/23/2004 2:00:44 PM PST by witnesstothefall
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To: djf
They are talking about water beneath the suface in non polar regions. However, this trace was toward the south polar region.
20 posted on 01/23/2004 2:00:55 PM PST by CasearianDaoist
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