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Two Tancredo’s Two Too Many for Bush Administration
azconservative.org ^ | 01/20/2004 | By Dennis Durband, Editor

Posted on 01/20/2004 9:05:55 AM PST by VU4G10

Colorado Republican Congressman Tom Tancredo is a thorn in Karl Rove’s side, to say the least. Tancredo favors border controls; the president and many in Congress do not. Rove, the president’s senior advisor, is attempting to find someone to run against Cong. Tancredo in this year’s election. So far, he has no takers. After all, Tancredo won re-election in 2002 with a 70-percent majority, and no mentally-balanced person would want to challenge such a formidable foe. It would be a waste of time and money.

Many Arizona conservatives are urging State Rep. Russell Pearce to run against Cong. Jeff Flake in District 6 this year. Pearce is a senior advisor to the popular Protect Arizona Now (PAN) initiative. If placed on the 2004 ballot, and if voters support it as expected, PAN would actually require proof of citizenship for things of some importance, such as voting. The White House, state and national GOP leadership favor the president’s Temporary Worker Program and the Flake-McCain-Kolbe guest worker bill, which amount to nothing more than amnesty for millions of foreign invaders.

Now the stage is set: two diametrically-opposed sides with sharply-contrasting views on the border invasion. Tancredo and Pearce are advocating tighter controls of the borders and a stoppage of the drain on American taxpayers caused by the border invasion. The corporate appeasers want to dissolve the borders.

The worst thing in Rove’s world would be to lose Flake and have Pearce replace him through the election process. Rove wants to subtract Tancredo and isn’t going to succeed in that aim. He sure doesn’t want Pearce -- another Tancredo -- going to Washington, D.C., a year from now. Two Tancredo’s are two too many, in the view of the Bush Administration. However, most Republicans would love to see Tancredo and Pearce representing them in Congress.

How motivated are those who oppose Tancredo and Pearce? Let's put things into proper perspective and look at some very recent history.

Some influential and well-connected people have recently suggest that Barnes may be a set-up, a plant to dilute a potential Pearce candidacy by splitting votes between Flake's would-be challengers. Barnes is a moderate who's totally with President Bush.

On Dec. 31, Rep. Pearce was getting ready to appear as a guest on Salt Lake City Radio Station KSL's “Born on the 4th of July" program, hosted by Barbara Jean. It appeared that this would be just another of the many state/regional/national media appearances Pearce would make on the border controversy. As it turned out, this was no ordinary day.

Arizona people listening on the Internet reported that the Salt Lake City station's power went down and the show’s producers were having trouble with outgoing broadcasting and incoming calls. Just bad luck? Tampering? Sun spots? Possibly any of the above, but we're just getting warmed up. There's more to the story.

Fast forward to last week when Pearce was getting ready to guest-host two hours of Ernie Hancock's show on KFNX Radio in Phoenix. Guess what? The station reported losing power and similar problems as the Utah station had experienced. Pearce claims a car accident damaged a nearby power source. But wait: we're still not done.

Rusty Childress, co-chairman of PAN, was a guest on KJZZ Radio, of Mesa, last week ... and guess what happened? The call-in lines went dead.

On Saturday night, Kathy McKee, the other co-chair of PAN, tried to call KFNX Radio to be the guest on the "Mad as Hell" program. ''To make a long story short, I couldn't get in .. . . because the phone lines went down at 10:45 p.m.,'' McKee said. ''They had to call me and patch me in, but then callers couldn't call in.'' Hmmm ... mighty, mighty interesting series of events.

Also, last week GOPUSA/Arizona posted two separate Internet polls on the Congressional District 6 race. The first poll appeared on the Internet for three days and queried readers as to their choice between Barnes and the incumbent Flake. This was a poll that did not get much traction or generate much excitement. Barnes received 22 of the 40 total votes cast, with Flake garnering 13 votes and the third option: “other” getting five votes.

In mid-week, the poll changed to add Pearce to the mix. Almost as quickly as the poll went up, some unknown person(s) with great technical expertise -- possibly some of it legal -- developed a very keen interest in the poll. It became readily apparent that the insertion of Pearce’s name had tripped the sensor of someone very interested in one Arizona congressional seat.

Within 12 hours, 188 votes showed up on the poll screen. Flake and Barnes were neck and neck; Pearce did not show up on the radar. A short time later, the vote tally reached 240 and Flake began to pull away from Barnes. Pearce barely registered a heartbeat with a 3-percent showing.

Then a remarkable thing happened for the first time in the 20-month history of GOPUSA/Arizona polls: The numbers actually went down -- from 240 total votes to 75. And Pearce’s numbers dropped to zero.

Then the vote tally started racing wildly upward. In the next few hours, the vote total pushed toward 2,000. Flake was winning big and Pearce was staying at zero percent, even though his supporters informed me they were starting to vote for him -- and starting to wonder why their tallies were not showing up. In one 10-minute period, 100 new votes went up on the board.

The next morning, the vote total continued to balloon, reaching nearly 4,800. It had been less than 36 hours since the poll was posted on the Internet. Flake had a lead of 2-1 over Barnes, and Pearce registered a faint glimmer with one percent of the vote.

As emails started coming in from bewildered people watching the poll, GOPUSA’s CEO, Bobby Eberle, was alerted about the dubious nature of the poll. Whoever was tampering with this poll had all the guile of a Pampalona bull on its way to Barcelona.

A short time later, Eberle confirmed that someone had indeed hacked into the system. He advised that the poll be removed to get the hacker out of the system. A new poll was quickly posted. Over the next several hours, only a trickle of new votes came in on the new poll. Someone no longer had any interest in GOPUSA/Arizona polls.

Looking again at the bogus poll results, one more strange occurrence was discovered. The poll totals now sat at 4,514 votes, a decline of nearly 300 votes in the last few minutes. Flake had 2,880 “votes,” Barnes had 1,560, Pearce 66 and the “other” option had four votes. Whomever tampered with Flake’s vote total obviously took Barnes’ total up in an effort to make it look like a second contestant was registering believable vote totals. Nice try, but it didn’t work. Nice, illegal try.

The 4,514 votes represented a higher number than the total number of votes cast in all the GOPUSA/Arizona poll votes for the entire year of 2003.

Now the big questions: Who has an interest in the re-election of Cong. Flake? Who has an interest in undermining Rep. Pearce? Is the hacker just some kid down the street who likes to play games with other people’s websites? Was it a political organization or a political operative acting on someone’s orders? Who would care enough about this particular poll to risk a visit from the FBI for hacking?

The answers, as of this moment, are unknown, but the questions are legitimate.

As of Sunday night, Eberle had not responded to queries about whether or not he was able to discern the identity of the hacker, or if he had reported the crime to authorities.

One footnote: Just as Cong. Tom Tancredo concluded his address to the Arizona Republican Assembly in Scottsdale Saturday morning, the power went out in the auditorium. Russell Pearce was in that room; he had introduced Tancredo. Two Tancredo’s is two too many for some people.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; arizona; bushrovefox; illegalaliens; karlrove; nationalsecurity; tancredo
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To: Sabertooth
"Tancredo also employed illegal aliens to remodel his home.'

>>>No, he didn't.

Yes he did.

>>>Tancredo hired a contractor.

Right. To employ means, "to use or engage the services of".

I stated: "[Tancredo] said, he didn't know they were in the US illegally.

I was simply prefacing my original remarks. No politician is perfect. Some of you people find fault in the most innocuous remarks. So be it.

121 posted on 01/20/2004 8:07:37 PM PST by Reagan Man (The choice is clear. Reelect BUSH-CHENEY in 2004)
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To: Reagan Man




Setting your other debatable stuff aside, it hasn't even been shown that the contractor hired Illegals, or that any Illegals were ever at Tancredo's house.

Right now, the "Tancredo hired Illegals" story has as much going for it than the "Bush lied about WMDs" nonsense."


122 posted on 01/20/2004 8:20:25 PM PST by Sabertooth (Pakistani Illegal Aliens Deport Themselves - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1058591/posts)
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To: ArneFufkin
I'm fully behind your initiative to make Prop 187 a national reality. It's CRUCIAL.

It's going to take a Supreme Court case. If you can't deny schooling to the interlopers' children, you can't do anything with their parents. That's the Plyler vs. Doe case. It has to be overturned. That was the basis of Pfaelzer ayatollah decision in California shitcanning 187. We have to attack that.

You want to attack that?

OK, but schooling was Bush's big issue against #187.

"I was against the spirit of . . . [Proposition 187] for my state," Bush said of the 1994 California measure.  "I felt like every child ought to be educated, regardless of the status of their parents." 
Dallas Morning News, 6/30/99, p. 23A

Bush misrepresents the "spirit" of 187 here, since children weren't going to be kept out of taxpayer-funded schools for the status of their parents, but for their own. That is, children who themselves were Illegal would not be entitled to public education in California.

#187 said nothing about them getting private education, should any compassionate folks have wanted to foot the bills on their own dimes.

Anyway, if you attack public education for children who are Illegal Aliens, the President will fight you.

I'm game. You?

From a strategic view ... would any liberal court overturn Plyler vs. Doe? I don't think so! Would a court with Al Gore's or John Kerry's appointments overturn that ridiculous post Carter era 5-4 decision? No.

So why sabotage Bush if you want your objectives met?

I just don't get it.

Suggest you read my posts. My vote remains Bush's to lose.

I'm not sabotaging him; I'm fighting his Amnesty, and his soft stance against Illegals.

His Amnesty threatens to sabotage him, as well as the sufficiency of the GOP majority.


123 posted on 01/20/2004 8:57:16 PM PST by Sabertooth (Pakistani Illegal Aliens Deport Themselves - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1058591/posts)
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To: Sabertooth
I'm not sabotaging him; I'm fighting his Amnesty, and his soft stance against Illegals.

His Amnesty threatens to sabotage him, as well as the sufficiency of the GOP majority.

My point exactly. But some think if you can't or don't sanction his every move you've come here from DU to disrupt.

Now, how can you aregue with logic like that? lol!

124 posted on 01/20/2004 9:05:25 PM PST by South40 (My vote helped defeat cruz bustamante; did yours?)
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To: Sabertooth
Here in Colorado RepTancredo has overwhelming support for his opposition to amnesty and open borders. But the flap over his employing illegal aliens remains intertwined with the story about Jesus Apodaca. For which Tancredo received a public black eye.

>>>Setting your other debatable stuff aside.

So Tom Tancredo was RIGHT in breaking his pledge, his word to Colorado voters, that he would term limit himself?

I don't support term limits, but Tancredo gave his word to step down after three terms and he should make good on that promise.

125 posted on 01/20/2004 9:14:34 PM PST by Reagan Man (The choice is clear. Reelect BUSH-CHENEY in 2004)
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To: Sabertooth
Couple thoughts. VDH isn't a politician or an operative, but suppose he's right. Maybe JimRob should then bite the bullet and set a realistic figure for legal immigration from DU. Then he must enforce his border controls; consider a one-time citizenship process for current FReepers who have been here for more than 4 years; apply stiff troglodyte sanctions; deport those who now break the code --and return to social and cultural protocols that promote national unity through assimilation and integration. In the short term, under such difficult reform, we FReepers might be required to donate more to FR. Yet eventually we will save far more through reduced stress, the growing empowerment of our own entry-level FReepers (many of them recent and legal immigrants from elsewhere), and the easing of social and legal problems associated with illegal posters.

All meant in good fun of course. :)

126 posted on 01/20/2004 9:24:28 PM PST by Kryptonite
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To: Re-electNobody
I would like confirmation of a report that the Texas redistricting put Ron Paul in a district with lots more Democrats. Is this accurate?


Maybe more than he had before but he still has a safe Republican District. They split up a Democrat district and added parts of it to Pauls and DeLays..... It averaged 61% Republican in statewide races in 2002.

Paul doesn't even have a challenger in the Republican Primary and no democrat filed in their Primary. So his only challenger should one emerge would be some 3rd party type.
127 posted on 01/20/2004 9:30:39 PM PST by deport
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To: Reagan Man
Here in Colorado RepTancredo has overwhelming support for his opposition to amnesty and open borders. But the flap over his employing illegal aliens remains intertwined with the story about Jesus Apodaca. For which Tancredo received a public black eye.

Wasn't Apodoca the big mouthed Illegal student who got deported?

Anyway, the "Tancredo hired Illegals" story was a ficititious hit job.

So Tom Tancredo was RIGHT in breaking his pledge, his word to Colorado voters, that he would term limit himself?

I thought we were talking about him hiring Illegals or not. All of my comments in this conversation are in relation to that.

In any case, I don't support term limits, and Tancredo was dumb to have made that particular promise in the first place, as far as I'm concerned.


128 posted on 01/20/2004 9:32:37 PM PST by Sabertooth (Pakistani Illegal Aliens Deport Themselves - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1058591/posts)
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To: Kryptonite
Nice.
129 posted on 01/20/2004 9:33:38 PM PST by PRND21
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To: ArneFufkin
It's easier to blame Bush and the Feds. Blame the Republicans.

It's not just easier, it's where the blame should be placed. After all, the President is the leader of the country, as were the presidents before him, and the Federal Government has only aided and abetted this epic destruction of our sovereignty at the direction of these leaders. Good post Fufkins! Seems your catching on.

130 posted on 01/20/2004 9:35:51 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
They don't care what we think. We got them what they wanted, and now we are just in the way.

Their vision of the future does not include those who consider themselves Constituitonalists and true conservatives. That is as over as the Republic itself.
131 posted on 01/21/2004 6:05:20 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: ArneFufkin
Rove is a traitor and should be in jail. As should the rest of the illegal appeasers.

Tancredo will get my write in vote for President.

And in case you hadn't realised, those of us that want the illegals squashed are in the majority.

Enjoy.
132 posted on 01/21/2004 6:18:41 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Bush and Co. are quickly convincing me that the Constitution Party is our only hope.)
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To: ArneFufkin
You're right about the welfare. I'm sure all of us know on an individual basis certain illegals who are benign, who are not a problem --- but we also see the way the low-income housing projects can't be built fast enough and what types are filling them up. I can see an additional guest worker program if Bush would clarify WHO will be providing these people their health care insurance and WHO will be paying for the education of the kids they bring over. Will the employer provide those?

It's a large and growing problem in many states --- the local taxpayer cannot pay for all the health care and the schools are in financial trouble.

133 posted on 01/21/2004 6:43:29 AM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
Latest figures show that 35% of illegals are on some type of assistance. That's 1 in 3.

They sure are a productive part of society as a whole aren't they?
134 posted on 01/21/2004 6:47:50 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Bush and Co. are quickly convincing me that the Constitution Party is our only hope.)
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To: Bikers4Bush
I know --- around here that figure is higher --- there really are certain illegals who are good hard workers and some who don't bring their families here and don't seek health care here --- I'm sure most of us would admit they are a lesser problem. Maybe Bush will say that his guest worker program will be limited to those whose employers provide them a health care plan and families only arrive if the employers pick up their tab, and the welfare types are to return home. Also I think those committing felony document fraud must go home. That won't leave too many illegals but at least the ones who would stay would be the better sort.
135 posted on 01/21/2004 6:55:31 AM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
We have laws on the books to handle this stuff already, we'd be fine if we'd just enforce them but oh no, god forbid we do that and be accused of racism just because we expect people to obey our laws.

It's complete idiocy.
136 posted on 01/21/2004 6:58:48 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Bush and Co. are quickly convincing me that the Constitution Party is our only hope.)
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