'Concealed carry' bewilders enforcers

The Cincinnati Enquirer ^ | January 10, 2004 | Dan Klepal

[spald]

Sherrif A.J. Rodenberg, Clermont County: "The first few months are going to be real interesting. We're going to have our hands full, and we're going to have to circle the wagons and be ready for it."

Could somebody ping the bang list please?

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[LibKill]

Could somebody ping the bang list please?

No sooner said than done.

Add this to the "To:" line, *bang_list

the asterik is required to make it work.

Also, these whining LEO types have no sympathy from me. If they want to play it safe, assume that EVERYONE has the right to carry a gun, and LEAVE THEM ALONE.

[Mulder]

What a bunch of freakin' idiots.

The fools in the Ohio, in an effort to harass honest gun owners, have made this bill so confusing that even the bureaucrats who designed it can't figure it out.

Fortunately, a few smart legislators put recipocity in to the bill, so that Ohio will honor the CCW 'permits' of other states.

The end result of all this might very well be that Ohio issues only a few dozen permits (collecting hundreds of dollars, while spending millions to set up the databases), while the residents of Ohio simply get non-resident permits from states like Florida that "allow" them to carry in Ohio.

[LibKill]

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[Mulder]

Also, these whining LEO types have no sympathy from me.

The Ohio State Patrol, by their behaviour on this bill, has earned the honor of 'dumbest LE agency in America'

[Gerasimov]

The confusion is thanks to our wonderful "republican" Governor in Ohio... he wouldn't sign any bill until is was sufficiently muddy for his tastes.

[ClintonBeGone]

"The first few months are going to be real interesting. We're going to have our hands full, and we're going to have to circle the wagons and be ready for it."

The fact is they have been circling the wagons - thats why the law was necessary.

[tet68]

Can they refuse a permit if the person meets the criteria?

Now why would they want to be able to do that?
Hmmmmmm.

[Mulder]

The confusion is thanks to our wonderful "republican" Governor in Ohio... he wouldn't sign any bill until is was sufficiently muddy for his tastes.

The irony is that Ohio will likely end up as the only state with shall-issue CCW to actually lose money on the deal.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

They act like this hasn't already been done in 35 other states or something.

[FreedomPoster]

>>We're going to have our hands full, and we're going to have to circle the wagons and be ready for it."

Get a clue, call everyone in from the donut shops, and hand out and discuss a thoughtful policy that recognizes that CCW citizens that have been through a serious background check are an allies of law enforcers and enforcement.

>>The Ohio Attorney General's Office has its hands full, too. It must create a database in the next 90 days listing everyone found mentally incompetent by an Ohio court.

Puh-leeze. There are probably 100 firms in Ohio capable of doing this work in that time. The real problem is government contracting rules and inability of the AG's office to define clearly what it is they want. I could write that RFP in a day of interviews and study of the legislation, and a day of actual write-up.

[gitmo]

Do any states allow concealed carry WITHOUT a government permit? In other words, do any states recognize the US Constitution?

[FreedomPoster]

>>The Ohio State Patrol, by their behaviour on this bill, has earned the honor of 'dumbest LE agency in America'

To be fair, we shouldn't blame the rank and file Ohio Highway Patrolmen, who are probably for it. The head of the OSP, who has been making all of the idiotic statements, should qualify as Dumbest State Patrol Chief of the Year 2003 rather easily, though.

[FreedomPoster]

Vermont and I believe Alaska

[yarddog]

I think Vermont is the only state to obey the constitution in this regard. At one time Minnesota also did.

[Mulder]

Do any states allow concealed carry WITHOUT a government permit?

Vermont and Alaska.

Vermont has been like that for a long time.

Alaska went they way last year, after having a "permit" system for awhile.

[FreedomPoster]

I win. ;-)

[spunkets]

There's not much worse than a sheriff that has such a low opinion of his neighbors, that they treat them like these bozos are. The only ones worse are those that use illegal means to screw their neighbor.

[Rome2000]

It must create a database in the next 90 days listing everyone found mentally incompetent by an Ohio court.

And then they must issue both a permit and a weapon to everyone on that list.