Posted on 01/08/2004 7:21:37 AM PST by Scenic Sounds
Edited on 04/13/2004 2:45:24 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
How old is the Grand Canyon? Most scientists agree with the version that rangers at Grand Canyon National Park tell visitors: that the 217-mile-long chasm in northern Arizona was carved by the Colorado River 5 million to 6 million years ago.
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These "critics" should try getting an education before the show how ignorant they are by speaking.
The Federal Government is only Constituionally prohibited from "passing any legislation" regarding religion. It is not prohibited from religious expression, and it has freely and correctly engaged in such expresion since before George Washington established the Holy Day of Thanksgiving as a National Holiday by Presidential Act at the unanimous request of both Houses of Congress in 1793.
Idiots who don't understand our Laws can certainly opine on them, but they should not be given a serious ear.
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FALSE!
Evolution theory is about the slow change of existing living organisms over time.
A demonstratably false notion due to the biological need for an organism to make numerous systemic changes simultaneously to survive. For example, a creature moving from water to air would have to "evolve" more than one thing (lungs, circulatory system...) to make the shift.
In fact, evolutionary theory recently has been morphing into "burst-evolution" theory which attempts to explain the absence of "transitional" link creatures in the fossil record by saying that new creatures appeared almost "spontaneously." (Gee, sounds a lot like Creationism without that annoying concept of a God to be accountable to.)
Seems to take about as much faith to believe either religion. So I'll choose the one with a God.
Evolution is the study of how existing organisms have changed over time.
Creationist theory demands that all organism were created at the time of Genesis and can not be altered. Any newly created organism must suddenly appear out of thin air, because of God's desire.
When a Creationist can demonstrate the sudden appearance of a new organism, I will be very impressed and convinced.
Your argument can be viewed another way, too:
If the Grand Canyon were formed over millions of years by natural geological forces, they would have occurred all over the world at the same time, so there should be lots of Grand Canyons all over. Where are they?
Answer, please?
See, that's the problem with employing imbecilic straw men to try and make a non-existent point... they fall apart with the slightest breeze...
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We're not talking about evolution, we're talking about how life originated. Those who reject the idea that God did it, must therefore claim that life just happened ... spontaneously. Unless you want to tell us there's another way that life came from non-life?
Evolution is the study of how existing organisms have changed over time.
Uh huh. And the fossil record tends to shows species popping up whole, not developing slowly -- a fact that the theory of punctuated equilibrium (among others) is attempting to explain.
When a Creationist can demonstrate the sudden appearance of a new organism, I will be very impressed and convinced.
Creationist theory demands that all organism were created at the time of Genesis and can not be altered. Any newly created organism must suddenly appear out of thin air, because of God's desire.
You permit no middle ground here, and are thus relying on a straw-man view of what "Creationist Theory" has to be.
Be that as it may, the fossil record does seem to show that something very close to this actually happened.
Just the same, it's interesting that a simple experiment that could be done by creation scientists has not been done. Or if it has been done, they are afraid to publish the results. I can assure you that anyone who could demonstrate that the canyon could be formed in a thousand years or less would win great acclaim.
No problem my friend, since you can obviously provide a well documented example of a new organism suddenly being created.
Evolution theory is the study of how organisms have changed over time.
They have!
If the changes of an organism is rapid (100 years) or slow (1 million years), that is only a clarification of the exact processes involved.
With Creationist theory, how does this new organism suddenly appear?
Does it shimmer with a blue light, just before it is fully formed?
Is their a loud popping sound, similar to thunder, as this new organism suddenly displaces the air?
Have you ever thought about the physical aspects (such as sound) that could be well documented by an act of Creation today?
Or, are you saying that no new organism have been created since the Earth was created, as documented in the book of Genesis?
HOW?
That Sir, if my concept of God!
Other subjects of debate has been created by man, for political power, over the last 2000 years.
Well, there's the difficulty of building your own high-volume, high-speed river.... ;-) I suppose one could cite the development of high pressure water jet cutters as "proof"....
OTOH, the geological formation of the Columbia River basin and gorge suggests that you can get very significant geological features in a geologically short (thousands of years) time frame.
That said, I have to confess that I'm baffled by those folks who expend so much time and effort on this 6,000 year deal. Even as an article of religious faith, it just doesn't matter.
Back atcha: Evolutionary theory: random chance created all forms of life on Earth. HOW?
Well, I know that.... ;-)
And basalt is harder than sandstone -- and yet Dry Falls was apparently formed in a very short time frame. With enough water and abrasives, you can do a lot of damage....
Changes in the DNA will have potential results. Most often, those changes will result in the death of the organism.
Random, is how those changes in the DNA occurred.
How the organism survives with the DNA that it inherited from it's two parents, is not random.
Are you intentionally distorting reality and factual information for your own political gains? If so, why?
Once again, can you provide us a SINGLE EXAMPLE of a newly created organism?
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