Posted on 01/07/2004 7:45:17 PM PST by Remember_Salamis
Has anybody started an email/letter writing campaign in response to the president's proposed immigration initiative?
We need to show the president that he can't take advantage of his conservative base.
The answer is obvious. Put an RFID chip in every bottle of salsa. Then everybody who buys a bottle of Pace Extra-Chunky gets a one-way trip on the next southbound INS bus.
(sarcasm off)
The man has been in favor of a guest worker program his entire political life. He pushed for it in Texas and said he favored it in his presidental campaign. He is the one standing on his principles.
What is principled about probation for criminals. What is principled about "tax amnesty" days? What is Principled about traffic ticket "amnesty days"?
It cannot be said enough, had the President so desired, he could have done a Clinton, do nothing or stealthly wait and write it as an EO, stroke of the pen ,law of the land, cool. In all the heat ,there's been little light .Let's see if Tancredo really can put his money where his mouth is;I'm thinking he will and that act alone ought to get the lefties all atwitter.Think about it, W makes us all take notice;Tom gets a national spotlight beyond us.The Dems are forced to either admit what they are really about, again or shut up and go along, which they won't if the howls from the Left are any indication. here is more to this,and as stated previously,Dubya does not do anything without a point and without courage.
You have a job that is tough and thankless, so here's to you.The point of no prosecution;are those not state crimes? Perhaps you and I should look at the local DA and see why they don't bother or why they are not sufficiently zealous. I suppose they are busy hunting down doctor shoppers.
I don't know about President Bush, but Terry McAuliffe is thrilled with you.
The previous questions still apply. When a problem becomes large enough to overwhelm all resources to handle it then another approach is needed. It could be thousands of unpaid traffic tickets, back taxes, overcrowded jails or illegal aliens that have been streaming across the border almost unchecked for 50 years. Bush, for good or ill is actually proposing an approach to finally address it with the tools we have available. It probably won't work but that doesn't mean that there is some silver bullet that will.
The simple fact is that most of this country may SAY they are against rewarding illegals this way but after they say it they just go to the door and pay the illegal that just mowed their yard or bussed their table. It makes no difference what the Fed policy is if local governments will to cooperate in detaing illegals when they are arrested. You will fid NO local LEO organizations in most states that are allowed to "round 'em up" because the local and state governments know the economic impact if they do.
You don't say.
Tell me...how do you find, arrest, try, and deport ten millio people who are intricately woven into our society
Find? Go to their places of employment. Systematically inspect work places to verify the legal status of employees.
Arrest? Take whomever lacks documentation into custody.
Try? You don't need to try an illegal alien. No legal documentation = automatic deportation.
without violating every civil, constitutional, and human right known to man?
Sending agents into restuarants, factories, farms, etc., to verify the legal status of employees is no violation of anyone's civil, constitutional or human rights. Government agents regularly inspect the workplace every day in this country. Are you really unaware of this?
Businesses, being licensed by the government, are subject to monitoring to ensure compliance. What are you, a child? You've never heard of auditors? Health inspectors? Work safety inspectors? I have to deal with these people all the time. Just where do you live and what the hell do you do for a living? How old are you???
You call ME dense, and yet support this amnesty proposal which, like it or not, will be a complete fiasco absent an effective enforcement mechanism like I'm proposing.
The INS? It's their mandate.
Panel I
Joseph Greene, Assistant Commissioner for Investigations, INS: Greene said enforcing the nation's immigration laws in the interior of the U.S. has always been exceptionally demanding and September 11th placed even greater demands on INS agents. Greene noted that with only 2000 special agents focused on the interior strategy, the goal of the INS is to frame a strategy that targets the infrastructure which supported illegal migration, whether it be a smuggling organization, a fraud conspiracy, an employer involved in widespread immigration violations or a local law enforcement problem created by the arrival of illegal immigrants into a community. Greene outlined several INS interior enforcement initiatives that have taken place in the last decade, but he said the INS is hampered by lack of special agents. Greene said, "I have 1,944 on-duty agents, including supervisors. There are more sworn officers in the Dallas police department than I have special agents in the world."
He continued to break that number down stating, "of that number, 112 of them are assigned to the joint terrorism task force, 155 are assigned to the anti-smuggling units in border patrol sectors, 177 are assigned to OCDETF and 197 are assigned to quick response teams. On any given day, the best I can field is approximately 1,365 special agents to work on interior enforcement," Greene said. Greene concluded saying that this reality forces INS field managers to make difficult decisions every day about how best to deploy agents in the interest of homeland security.
I have a question concerning Bush's new proposal, and I hope you might be able to help me with it.
If I understand Bush's proposal correctly, an employer must offer a job to an American before he offers it to someone in Mexico. Okay, assuming this is correct, what is to prevent an employer from cutting the wages of his current employees in half and then telling them, "You can keep your job if you wish, but your wage will be half of what you were making before" (Which will cover his butt under the "An employer must offer the job to Americans first" clause of Bush's proposal)? ... Then, after most his employees tell him to take a flying leap, can he legally go to Mexico and get replacements for those employees who refuse to work for half of what they were making before?
This is a serious question, so please, no flaming.
Check my post at 515 and tell me how it mafes sense for the INS to round up 10 million illegals with less than 1500 field agents.
Well most of these jobs are at or just above minimum wage or are heavily unionized. The employer is either held to the minimum wage or union contract agreements except in "right to work states". In that case it is not beyond the realm of possibility that could happen but it is also unlikely. The construction industry may be where this could happen but even in Texas, a right to work state, unions are still very powerful here. The Unions LOVE this idea because it gives them a whole new group to organize and that could actually make hiring these people very unattractive especially if they are open shop.
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