Terri Schiavo update: Judge Baird's is OFF case.

Hospice Patients Alliance ^ | 1-5-04 | Ron Panzer

[cpforlife.org]

This is a Hospice Patients Alliance Special Update Jan 5, 2004, sent out periodically to inform the public about news affecting hospice and end-of-life care.

We have just confirmed that ALL of Judge Baird's cases, INCLUDING the suit by Michael Schiavo v Gov Bush related to the Terri's Law, challenging its constitutionality, HAVE been transferred to Judge Nelly Khouzam. This information came directly from Judge Khouzam's assistant. Judge Khouzam is known to be a "by the book" tough, but fair judge.

For a little about Judge Khouzam see:

"Diminutive judge sits tall behind the gavel" Northpinellas St Petersburg Times 12/29/2002 http://www.sptimes.com/2002/12/29/NorthPinellas/Diminutive_judge_sits.shtml

The court is NOT explaining why the judges were suddenly switched, except to say that "judges rotate from time to time." We believe it might have something to do with:

Local PINELLAS COUNTY COURT BAILIFFS AND COURT EMPLOYEES WERE TAKING BETS ON WHETHER TERRI WOULD DIE OR NOT!!!

It was widely reported that Judge Baird made reckless and prejudicial comments in support of Greer and Felos and against Jeb's lawyers way before he had heard the evidence from the Governor's attorneys.

In other words, Judge Baird's comments are the likely reason local Pinellas County employees were doing "inside betting" that the local Pinellas County Judges would back each other's poor and constitutionally illegal decisions against Terri's constitutional rights and thus overrule Jeb Bush and Terri's Law. The 6th Circuit Judges are upset to have anyone tell them they are morally and legally wrong...... whether it's constitutionally illegal or not to murder Terri.

Conducting inside betting on the case is a severe violation of the code of conduct for court employees! Whether that is, or is not, the reason the judges have been switched, the very important change in judge can be extremely significant to what happens to Terri. We are hoping that Judge Khouzam will give the Gov a fair hearing in the case and allow the discovery he sought (which was denied by Baird). If Judge Khouzam allows some discovery as requested by Gov Bush, it could make all the difference!

You heard it hear first!

Ron Panzer President, Hospice Patients Alliance http://www.hospicepatients.org

[daylate-dollarshort]

You have to have a case FIRST before you can depose. Further, a criminal investigation is NOT a case. A case may result from an investigation.

I'd remember, in order to levy criminal charges, there must be evidence. So far such evidence seems to be lacking.

[cyn]

So -- are you volunteering? I'm serious -- I'm not joking or making light!

Abhorrent, awful things have been happening to Terri all along that for some reason have not been made public.

[msmagoo]

wheeeee!
Happy Birthday, floriduh voter

[daylate-dollarshort]

"All one needs to know about the new judge is that she is a staunch believer in the separation of powers. She will strike down Terri's Law in a heartbeat, IMO.

I don't think there is much chance that she will hear the case already heard by Baird. I have seen her work and agree, that in the unlikely event I'm wrong....she will indeed strike down Terrri's law in less than a heartbeat.

[cyn]

oh, 'rats, it's not there . . . will try for something later when I get back to this. sponge bob birthday party will be great!

[sisterjforteri]

Thanks for the news regarding the change in judges. Just like the new McNugget commercial - "change is good!"

[msmagoo]

"You have to have a case FIRST before you can depose. Further, a criminal investigation is NOT a case. A case may result from an investigation. I'd remember, in order to levy criminal charges, there must be evidence. So far such evidence seems to be lacking."

Jeb has a case right now - he has submitted affidavits and can investigate. If he wants to turn it over to Bernie McCabe, he can do that too. :0

As for an investigation not being a criminal case, tell Rush he doesn't need that attorney, OK?

[msmagoo]

I don't think there is much chance that she will hear the case already heard by Baird. I have seen her work and agree, that in the unlikely event I'm wrong....she will indeed strike down Terrri's law in less than a heartbeat.

"I have seen her work"

Do tell - are you an attorney?

[daylate-dollarshort]

Oh? Is Rush attempting to depose some witness?? Or is the State attempting to depose one of Rush's witnesses??? Hmmmmm, no? I thought not. Suggest you get a copy of The Florida Rules of Civil Procedure and Criminal Procedure. By the way you will need to read it. What case does Governor Bush have other than the Constitutional case are you referring to?

His big problem is that he is trying, under the Constitutional case, to revisit evidence and testimony already submitted and decisions have been published on. He can't do that. He was never a party to that action, not even as an amicus. He can't now rehear a case that has already been decided.

Besides, the witnesses and evidence presented in the prior Court bear no relevence to whether or not Terii's law is Constitutional. The Constitutional question is very narrow and does not depend upon the testimony and evidence already presented and considered. What the Courts have done is not in question. It's what the legislature has done that is before the Court.

If you are referring to the jurisdiction question that has been submitted- witness testimony is not germain to the issue.

As I said before, the Criminal case follows the investigation. Of course Rush should have employed counsel. A search warrant for his medical records could be a violation of his privacy rights as guaranteed by the Florida Constitution.

[cpforlife.org]

"Excellent news."

Yep--now if we can just get confirmation.

Hey, King Cake and Java w Southern Comfort if so! (in the PM of course)

[daylate-dollarshort]

How did you two miss post #29??

Unless something has change since that post I'm not sure I'd be celebrating yet. But if I were you I would still go for the King Cake and Java w Southern Comfort. Couldn't hurt!

[msmagoo]

"This notion that Terri “never suffered a heart attack” in order to support allegations of some allegation that she was attacked and/or murdered by her husband is more than disingenuous. It is a red-herring intended to mislead the public."

By all means, please hasten to inform the news agencies who continously report that Terri suffered a heart attack, that their reporting is incorrect. Google is currently displaying over 2,570 such articles. See for yourself here.

This grievous "red-herring intended to mislead the public" must have been planted in the media as deliberate disinformation, to obscure the true facts of the case, don't you agree?

[daylate-dollarshort]

The first person that used "heart attack" in the medical context was Hammesfahr as far as I can discern. Prior to his statement the most common used terms were "heart failure" and "cardiac arrest" or simply "arrest". What I believe is objectionable and misleading is that absent stating the fact that Terri suffered a cardiac arrest, they infer that strangulation or injury to her brain by violence is the only explanation for Terri's condition. This simply is not true and misrepresents the facts.

The last time I visited the Terri's Fight Webpage they listed "heart attack as a myth but did not acknowlege a "cardiac arrest."

If you are trying to argue that there was no cardiac event at all, won't wash. Read the hospital report. If your point is that the term "heart attack" is being misused by the press and is misleading, then I have to agree with you.

An interesting and crucial point, a heart attack damages the heart. There is actual tissue destruction. It is demonstrable and permanent. This is because the area deprived of blood is frequently quite small and localizes the damage to the heart. A cardiac arrest however, does not necesssarily damage heart tissue and more often than not does no damage to the heart at all. What cardiac arrests do, and do often, is deprive the entire brain of blood and oxygen and destroys brain tissue. Especially suceptible are the the cerebrum and cebral cortex. This is what happened to Terri Schiavo.

[cpforlife.org]

I saw that and am waiting for confirmation--one way or another.

After http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1052735/posts?page=4 I'll opt for Southern Comfort and Southern Comfort w Southern Comfort.

[daylate-dollarshort]

Fur cryin' out loud.....everyone knows you can;t trust Jesuits......

[cpforlife.org]

I know I know, but THIS!

[cpforlife.org]

Maybe you could post this on your FLA message board?

Subject: Attention: PRO-LIFE RESIDENTS OF FLORIDA
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 12:46:40 -0600

The reminder below is from the Republican Party of Florida.

If you live in Florida and are an active Republican, please consider applying for election as a Delegate to the Republican National Convention. Pro-life representation will be more important than ever in 2004. The Convention will take place in New York City which is controlled by the liberal, pro-abortion wing of the Party.

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Republican National Coalition for Life
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[Smocker]

Maybe you are more hopeful than I am with a woman there, I hope you are right. My prayers are for Terri and her life, the only thing that matters.

[FR_addict]

Some of this information in your post is news to me. Would you please cite your references to:

(1) the knee injury,
(2) when did the Florida Department of Law Enforcement look into Terri’s infamous bone scan, what year???
(3) Where is the reference to the information that the police made notation that there is "no mid-line shift" that would indicate a physical insult to Terri’s brain. Who gave the police this information? Would a strangulation case result in a mid-line shift? I wouldn't think this would be common in a stangulation case.
(4) If you have this information from the policeman on the scene, where is the information on the rest of the report?
(5) Did the emergency room call in the police? If they called the police, they must have suspected something. Why were the police called?

[msmagoo]

"Maybe you are more hopeful than I am with a woman there, I hope you are right. My prayers are for Terri and her life, the only thing that matters."

We can't do any worse than Baird and Greer. :(