Pope wants new international order to keep peace

Reuters | January 1, 2004 | Claire Soares

[sinkspur]

I believe that if we do not listen to the Holy Father's message we will be living in a worldwide condition like we see in Israel/Palestine

We already do. Militant Muslims have declared that they will push us all into the sea, and destroy our way of life, as the Palestinians have threatened to the Israelis.

We will not, and cannot allow that, no matter what the Pope says.

[Desdemona]

There's another article, this one from Zenit, posted on the religion forum, that has a different set of quotes. It seems the Holy Father is more interested in an order, not an international body. It seems to say that the experience of the UN is a failure and that we need to take the lessons learned, good and bad, and use them as a guide.

JPII is NOT advocating a strengthening of the UN.

[Cap'n Crunch]

Well then, let's not play anymore games, continue the attack, let's go into Syria, then North Korea, China & Russia.

Let's roll. No more half-hearted efforts we've always been noted for.

You think President Hillary will be up to the task?

[Cap'n Crunch]

I can't imagine people taking the Holy Father's words out of context to suit their own agenda......(heavy sarcasm)

[Desdemona]

From Zenit, 1-1-04

New International Order Urged for Sake of Peace

Pope Says Temptation to Mistrust Must Be Overcome

VATICAN CITY, JAN. 1, 2004 (Zenit.org).- John Paul II started the new year by insisting that peace is "possible" and thus a "duty," and he called for a new international order.

That was the focus of the Pope's homily today at the Mass to celebrate the solemnity of the Mother of God. The Church also marked World Day of Peace.

The Holy Father concentrated on the need to teach peace, an issue he highlighted in the first year of his pontificate. "Given that peace is possible -- I wish to repeat -- it is a duty," he explained in St. Peter's Basilica.

"In the face of situations of injustice and violence that oppress various areas of the planet, in the face of the permanence of armed conflicts frequently forgotten by public opinion, it is ever more necessary to build together paths of peace," the Pope said. "Therefore, it is indispensable to teach peace."

He said it is particularly necessary to teach peace in the land where Jesus was born, which, "unfortunately, continues to live in dramatic conditions."

"It is necessary, however, to persevere without yielding to the temptation to mistrust," the Holy Father added. "An effort is necessary on the part of all to have the fundamental rights of people respected through constant education in lawfulness."

"With this objective, everything possible must be done to overcome the logic of strict justice in order to open also to that of forgiveness. In fact, there is no peace without forgiveness," the Pope said.

Commenting on the international scene, the Holy Father explained that there is an ever-greater need for "a new international order, which will make use of the experience and results obtained in these years by the United Nations."

He called for such "an order that will be capable of giving solutions that are appropriate to the problems of today, based on the dignity of the human person, the integral development of society, solidarity between rich and poor countries, and the capacity to share the resources and extraordinary results of scientific and technological progress."

Ambassadors of countries accredited to the Holy See attended the Mass, which was presided over by the Holy Father and celebrated by Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Angelo Sodano.

[sinkspur]

JPII is NOT advocating a strengthening of the UN.

What he wants is an "order" that will guarantee that countries will not be able to act in their own self-interest. He and Howard Dean wanted the US to "get permission from the UN" before invading Iraq.

JPII had no problems with the UN when Clinton was in power, even when it didn't OK Clinton's foray against Milosevic because he SUPPORTED the bombing of Serbia.

But now, "order" has broken down because he doesn't support Bush's actions.

The UN is feckless, and the US has exposed its fecklessness by ignoring it.

The results are starting to come in (Iraq liberated, Ghadaffi giving up WMDs, the Sudanese civil war coming to an end), and it is hard to see how any of this would have happened if things had been left to the UN.

[Cap'n Crunch]

'No peace without forgiveness'

"The fruit of abortion is nuclear war."-Mother Teresa

[GirlShortstop]

We will not, and cannot allow that, no matter what the Pope says.

When the message is read, we find:

In the necessary fight against terrorism, international law is now called to develop legal instruments provided with effective means for the prevention, monitoring and suppression of crime. In any event, democratic governments know well that the use of force against terrorists cannot justify a renunciation of the principles of the rule of law.

[sinkspur]

Well then, let's not play anymore games, continue the attack, let's go into Syria, then North Korea, China & Russia.

We don't have to. Just watch what happens with Syria this year. Assad is already scared to death, as we are about to impose sanctions on his country.

We invaded Iraq so we wouldn't have to invade the rest.

[saradippity]

When did the Pope support the bombing of Serbia? I did a Google search and could not find anything that indicatd he supported it.I went through about 18 pages but I may have used the wrong key words. Please give me a cite. Thanks.

[GirlShortstop]

Just watch what happens with Syria this year

In 2003, I watched that country serve as an accomplice many times over in the murders of our brave in Iraq.

[GirlShortstop]

Please give me a cite. Thanks.       good luck saradippity!
FReegards.

[Cap'n Crunch]

How hard do you think it's going to be for them to wait until another democrat is in office? I say we have to strike now, Bush will have 4 more years, he had better rid the world of all WMD's in that time or we'll be back to square one.

President Clinton didn't listen to the Pope either, particularly on abortion. And, the UN wanted to throw the Vatican out. The Holy Father, in his letter, said that the UN was a failure.

I think we need to remember that we are fighting not against flesh and blood, but against powers and pricipalities.

But we're having too much fun engaging in hedonism.

[sinkspur]

I'd rather emphasize the following:

In the necessary fight against terrorism, international law is now called to develop legal instruments provided with effective means for the prevention, monitoring and suppression of crime. In any event, democratic governments know well that the use of force against terrorists cannot justify a renunciation of the principles of the rule of law.

"International law" is fuzzy nothingness. And, besides, it's the United States that has to enforce this "international law" when the bad guys get out of control.

And terrorism is not crime. It's war!

[GirlShortstop]

And terrorism is not crime. It's war!

And how do you justify America standing on the sidelines then over the "war" in Israel?

[GirlShortstop]

"International law" is fuzzy nothingness.

LOL!

[Cap'n Crunch]

Hang on now. It seems to me that we (under the evil Clinton administration) GAVE our nuclear secrets to China and North Korea. Is that right?

Being a former Marine, I was pretty upset when the Commandant of the Marine Corps was ordered to go over to China and help them with their beach assault capabilities. I even wrote the Commandant a letter. I got back a response from his office; "The Commandant thanks you for your letter." That was it.

And aren't those countries going to fund our enemies, as they do now? With weaponry? And probably money.

This country has two faces. One wants to suddenly stamp out terrorists (when they attack us, but world be damned if they hadn't) and one that sends our nuclear and military capabilities to our enemies who will be too eager to use them against us.

And now we want to blame the Pope for calling for peace. LOL hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[sinkspur]

And how do you justify America standing on the sidelines then over the "war" in Israel?

We aren't standing on the sidelines; we're hamstringing Israel.

If we'd step back, Israel would take care of its terrorist problem, once and for all.

[Cap'n Crunch]

I guess we are Israel's "Pope." If we'd just stop talking about peace Isreal could whack those Palestinians once and for all.

They better get every one of them though because that's what it will take. Every man, woman and child.

Fry 'em! 'Blood makes the grass grow' What's the spirit of the bayonet? KILL KILL KILL.

Ah, my Marine Corps days are coming back to me. Semper Fi!

[Happy2BMe]

This is pretty scary stuff.

The pope stands up in broad daylight and announces to the world we need a "New International Order" to bring peace to the world.

We need a new international order, new world military, world currency, world political system, new world religion, and new WORLD LEADER.