[sinkspur]

JPII is NOT advocating a strengthening of the UN.

What he wants is an "order" that will guarantee that countries will not be able to act in their own self-interest. He and Howard Dean wanted the US to "get permission from the UN" before invading Iraq.

JPII had no problems with the UN when Clinton was in power, even when it didn't OK Clinton's foray against Milosevic because he SUPPORTED the bombing of Serbia.

But now, "order" has broken down because he doesn't support Bush's actions.

The UN is feckless, and the US has exposed its fecklessness by ignoring it.

The results are starting to come in (Iraq liberated, Ghadaffi giving up WMDs, the Sudanese civil war coming to an end), and it is hard to see how any of this would have happened if things had been left to the UN.

[saradippity]

When did the Pope support the bombing of Serbia? I did a Google search and could not find anything that indicatd he supported it.I went through about 18 pages but I may have used the wrong key words. Please give me a cite. Thanks.

[Cap'n Crunch]

How hard do you think it's going to be for them to wait until another democrat is in office? I say we have to strike now, Bush will have 4 more years, he had better rid the world of all WMD's in that time or we'll be back to square one.

President Clinton didn't listen to the Pope either, particularly on abortion. And, the UN wanted to throw the Vatican out. The Holy Father, in his letter, said that the UN was a failure.

I think we need to remember that we are fighting not against flesh and blood, but against powers and pricipalities.

But we're having too much fun engaging in hedonism.

[Desdemona]

Oh, my you seem to know an awful lot.

I don't believe he said anything against acting in the interest of the whole world, which, whether they want to bekieve it or not, is what we are going.