Pope wants new international order to keep peace

Reuters | January 1, 2004 | Claire Soares

[sinkspur]

He's trying to HELP us, Sinky.

Hamstringing is not helping. Had we deferred to His Holiness in March, suicide bombers' families would still be getting $25K, and Hussein would be torturing his people. Oh, and Libya would NOT have been forced to knuckle-under and agree to give up its WMDs.

International bodies are worthless, militarily, since the strong are held up by the weakest members, usually some clueless pacific country, like France or Canada.

If Iraq proved anything, it proved that the United States simply doesn't need a bunch of internationalists.

[At _War_With_Liberals]

The Pope's words in 91 against socialism are diametrically opposed to recent statements.

I believe hard core international socialists in the Vaticans are controlling the message now. And I believe that the next Pope will be a big time socialist.

[Bluntpoint]

Terroristic

[A CA Guy]

He knows there as going to be actions against the Vatican since things have been found through intelligence to prove that.

The Pope also doesn't like WW3 to start in a Holy War.

I think they are all issues.

[cebadams]

OK, that's the second time today that you've been right :-)

[Bluntpoint]

WWIII has already started. The fact that some of the parties attacked are afraid to retaliate, does not change that fact.

Hitler was at war even with countries that did not offer up resistence.

[Bluntpoint]

Don't tell blackelk. He will ping the moderator and say my broken clock reached it's quota.

He has the adm mod on speed dial.

[A CA Guy]

In a way I agree, but it is not full blown because we want to deal with things on our terms.

[Bluntpoint]

Like being almost pregnant.

[B-Chan]

[A CA Guy]

Not at all.

We are around the workd fighting terror in limited areas at our own pace.
This is better for us and our economy instead of an all out world war.

[A CA Guy]

Bye bye, Happy New Year during your ww3! LOL

[cebadams]

Bluntpoint is right. The war was started years ago and we didn't realize it or take it seriously. It is full blown. This goes way beyond Iraq.

[Bluntpoint]

"Young Lady, what were your thinking? This book is only for the priests and bishops!"

[ninenot]

Socialism considers the individual person simply as an element, a molecule within the social organism, so that the good of the individual is completely subordinated to the functioning of the socio-economic mechanism.

By the way--that line reminds me of the Libertarian/WalterWilliams "mind"set, as well.

[A CA Guy]

Yep, way beyond since most Middle East countries have radicals that make up anywhere from 25-70% of their populations.

I don't debate that issue.

I am saying we are not going everywhere at once and doing parts at a time as it suits us because that is better for the nation.

[Bluntpoint]

"Some day, this war is going to be over."

[A CA Guy]

Yes, about 40 years from now.

Unless we can get Democracies started in the Middle East and can somehow ban theocracies.

[Bluntpoint]

Theo is a little wierd, but I'm not sure I want to ban Theocracies.

Theo H. Ortense

[ninenot]

If you actually READ the text, (posted on this thread around #253) you will find:

1) The Pope endorses a UN-LIKE (not necessarily the UN) solutions-body for the purpose of peaceful resolutions and other socially-positive items (hunger relief, etc., etc.)

2) The Pope (in #7 of the document, and other places) makes clear that the UN is flawed, has not done a good job, and is subject to the whims of its membership.