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Amnesty will lose Bush a lot more votes than it will give him, I don't care what anyone says. But we have to be noisy voters. I know people who are natural Bush voters who probably will not vote if this goes through.

You want to really piss them off?

Send a campaign check to Tom Tancredo, xerox it and send the copy to the RNC and tell them if they do this, you will either vote for his opponent or stay home on election day!

Be noisy but the silenece of writing in Tancredo joining many will make a powerful loud noise!

Amnesty loses him votes Really?

How many precincts have you worked knocking on every door? On what basis do you say that? How many votes did Pat Buchanan get? (not counting Jewish grandmothers in Palm Beach).

In 2000, 100% of Hispanics voted for Bush in my 7 precincts and 100% in local 2001 elections (with the exception of one 3d generation Hispanic lady on aid). This was because Bush and the pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-capital punishment Hispanic voters found the local conservative canidates (and me the local face of the Republican party) friendly.

In Nov 2002 my wife and 2 daughters were the only Hispanics to vote Republican... only 1% of my Hispanic voters. This was because mean spirited Republican JimRyan out Tancredo'd all your idols and wanted to abort innocent Hispanic life ... namely pushing for capital punishment for a Hispanic innocent of the crimes of which he was accused... innocent both in fact (Brian Dugan did it). And innocent in the eyes of the court system and constitution.

But you are correct on one account. There are relatively few Hispanic voters. They have an extremely low turnout. They don't like what the Dems say. And they don't like the mean spirited way the Republicans say it. So they have nobody to vote for.

To Karl Rove, the short term benefit in appearing compassionate and not mean spirited is in getting the vote of the PTA moms for whom mean spirited determines which way their swing vote will swing. PTA moms have a much higher voter turnout than racist bigots. But just like racist bigots, their vote is controlled by emotion rather than logic. It is interesting how those two groups suffer the same sin of emotion over logic.

Long term, it is obviously the strategy of Karl Rove, and me, and MOST conservative and libertarian Republicans (who did not vote for Buchanan) to get the largest pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-capital punishment demographic group in the nation to vote Republican.

The Pilgrims had no immigration papers. They just came. My ancestors had no immigration papers. They just stepped off the boat in Chesapeake Bay and walked until they found some vacant land in Pennsylvania. My wife walked accross the bridge with no immigration papers. What's the difference?