Posted on 12/19/2003 9:47:03 PM PST by cpforlife.org
LifeSite Daily News Thursday December 18, 2003
Over 200,000 U.S. Embryonic Children Killed in IVF Attempts in 2002
WASHINGTON, December 18, 2003 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The U.S. Centers for Disease Control (CDC) has released the seventh annual assisted reproductive technology (ART) report detailing the 2002 success rates for 384 fertility clinics around the country. A LifeSiteNews.com analysis of the figures reveals that over 220,000 human embryos created through the process died and only 40,687 survived to birth.
The report did not detail how many embryos died without being transferred into their mothers' wombs, nor did it detail the number of embryos which were frozen for later use or 'donated' for scientific research.
The report concerns in vitro fertilization and two related procedures. It reveals that on average three human embryos at a time are transferred to mother's wombs in the hopes that they survive the transplant and develop normally. The report indicates that there were 65,363 transfers (using on average 3 embryos each) for embryos from non-donor, non-frozen eggs, 12,700 transfers for frozen embryos from non-donor eggs, and 10,700 transfers using donor eggs.
The full report is available on the Web at http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/art.htm
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Your screen name is a disgraceful joke.
Selective reduction, which is abortion, would not need to be performed to "save the mother's life" in any way that I could think of from IVF. They can control the # of babies put into the womb this way, and while it is true that some moms have 3 embies turn into 4 babies (one embryo has become identical twins), quadruplet pregnancies are getting easier to care for now. Multiples are rare, occurring in 20% or less IVF cycles.
The only case "to save the mother's life" for selective reduction would be in one of those pregnancies where there are 5 or more babies, and this is almost always an IUI pregnancy or a badly botched natural cycle with fertility drugs (although on occasion a natural cycle can result in high order multiples, as we have seen through the ages). Doctors should cancel cycles where too many eggs are present, and not allow sperm into the woman. Even high order multiples do not mean the mother can die. We have seen that it is on the whole a bad thing to do for the kids, but the mother is usually all right.
Let's face it; the number one reason therapeutic abortions are performed in high tech obstetrics (not counting the abortions of convenience where the woman did not want to be pregnant but didn't think of not having sex, duh) is because the tests have shown that something is wrong with the poor little baby.
I chose 3x to have amniocentesis on my unborn babies in order to prepare for anything I would need to. I wanted that head's up. I would never have aborted even if they had said there was something wrong not compatible with life. Maybe the little one would have had a few minutes of life, and maybe that few minutes was what G-d needed him to have.
Anyway, I am pro-IVF and against abortion of any kind. I used to wonder about after rape until I met a very nice man here on FR who was a product of a violent rape and now I cannot even support abortion thereafter. In terms of incest, there is a 75% chance of the baby being fully normal.
Please don't misunderstand. I am against IVF period. I mentioned previously there are many reasons. So far we agree on the more obviously evil aspects. There are so many moral/ethical reasons as well.
First I will say that I am very happy you are against abortion.
The development of our ethics is badly stunted while the development of our technology skyrockets--Just because we can do something does not give us the right to do it.
You mention G-d and He IS the main reason I cannot accept IVF. I believe we are tampering with nature and usurping the Creator and Author of Life when we do IVF and related things.
From the Torah:
Deuteronomy 30:19 I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before thee life and death, the blessing and the curse; therefore choose life, that thou mayest live, thou and thy seed; 32:39 It is I who bring both death and life.
Exodus: "Now suppose two men are fighting, and in the process, they hurt a pregnant woman so her child is born prematurely. If no further harm results, then the man responsible must pay damages in the amount the woman's husband demands and the judges approve. But if any harm results, then the offender must be punished according to the injury. If the result is death, the offender must be executed! Never put an innocent or honest person to death! I will not allow anyone guilty of this to go free!
Job: from the depth of his pain, stops to contemplate the work of G-d who miraculously formed his body in his mother's womb. Here he finds reason for trust, and he expresses his belief that there is a divine plan for his life: "You have fashioned and made me; will you then turn and destroy me? Remember that you have made me of clay; and will you turn me to dust again? Did you not pour me out like milk and curdle me like cheese? You clothed me with skin and flesh, and knit me together with bones and sinews. You have granted me life and steadfast love; and your care has preserved my spirit".
Expressions of awe and wonder at G-d's intervention in the life of a child in its mother's womb occur again and again in the Psalms.
There are many others, Yaelle. My point is that we are NOT G-d and so IVF is wrong.
Exactly right. And even if there were some ambiguity to it, shouldn't we prefer to assume that the soul is there earlier than it truly is, for the sake of not destroying a human being?
But either way, this is pointless. The acceptance of the human soul's existence is seperate from the more direct observation that the physical offspring of a human being is a human being, which is what is most important. Every time you claim that the human being is special because of the presence of a soul, the counter claim can always be that that category of human being has no soul (or, something less than what 'the rest of us' are assumed to have).
Why is it any MORE selfish for someone to pay money to get pregnant vs getting pregnant the natural way?
Why aren't ALL of us who birth our own children, instead of adopting those who need homes, termed selfish?
We don't. So why pretend we do? Isn't this just another way of playing God ourselves?
I did some research on this topic and found out that the majority of couples who can't conceive fall into two basic categories. One, they delayed having a child by using birth control, (against Catholic teaching), and found out that the time they "bought" worked against them. Second, a great many of people who gave up and either adopted or had IVF ended up having a child later on, ON THEIR OWN. It is indeed no 'urban legend' that many many folks who adopt because they are "sterile" end up having a baby at some point after they adopt. Over sixty percent (60%) of couples who have been deemed "sterile" fall into the above two categories. They simply waited too long and got too old, or ended up having a baby without any help through IVF.
pax Christi
Birthing children is the natural result of sex. One can't be called selfish for following nature's plan.
So it has nothing whatever to do with those poor, family-less, babies pining for homes? The infertile are only selfish because it isn't "natural"?
There are some of us who think that every baby born on this earth is born through the desire and grace of God. Some believe that the struggle to conceive itself has some meaning, something that God wants us to learn. Selfish to want to feel a child growing in your womb? Selfish to want to experience birth? No, it's only selfish because some people want to throw stones and say "You aren't good enough. You are lesser than me because conception came easily to me".
Invitrofertilization,
God knows what is in your heart. I believe that god gave me this passage from the bible. I hope it will help those out there that are in need of peace due to the judgement of other people reguarding invitrofertilization.
Isaiah 49;20-26
The children whom you had lost
shall yet say to you,
"This place is too small for me,
make room for me to live in."
You shall ask yourself:
"Who has borne me these?
I was bereft and barren
who has reared them?
I was left all alone;
where then do these come from?
Thus says the Lord God:
See, I will lift up my hand to the nations,
and raise my signal to the peoples;
They shall bring your sons in their arms,
and your daughters shall be carried on their shoulders.
Kings shall be your foster fathers,
their princesses your nurses;
Bowing to the ground, they shall worship you
and lick the dust at your feet.
Then you shall know that I am the Lord,
and those who hope in me shall never be disappointed.
Those who oppose you I will oppose, and your sons I
Will Save.
May god always be in your heart and you will do what is right by him. Love from a child of god
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