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I Believe I Just Witnessed Attempted Voter Registration Fraud
me
| December 16, 2003
| prairiebreeze
Posted on 12/16/2003 9:33:31 AM PST by prairiebreeze
Today as I was leaving my local grocery store a woman was standing at the exit doors holding a clipboard with a Dennis Kucinich sticker on it. She stated she was representing Dennis Kucinich and was asking people who were leaving the store if they were registered to vote. She stated she was registering voters.
I was very pressed for time at the particular moment as I was late for an appointment and unfortunately felt that I couldn't stop to speak with her or confront her then and there. After my appointment, about 30 minutes later I returned to the store. The woman was gone. I spoke with the store manager Mr. ***** who confirmed he had asked her to leave as that activity was against store policy inside the store. He stated that other customers had reported the woman to the customer service desk which was how he was alerted to her presence. Mr. ****** relayed that the woman stated she had been to several various stores in the area this morning trying to register voters for Kucinich and had most likely been turned out of all of them.
Interestingly the store manager indicated that store policy would have no problem with this woman standing out on their sidewalk, i.e. a public place, to conduct this activity, "like the Boy Scouts selling candy". I pointed out that there was no comparison in the two activities and that voter registration required verification of citizenship and age and needed to be done by state or county officials. (sheesh!)
Unfortunately Mr. ***** didn't get the womans name. He was a bit flustered, trying to cover his butt and wanting to make sure I wasn't mad at him or the store. I made sure I remained positive and pleasant throughout.
When I told him that the woman was registering voters for Kucinich he said, "I don't even know who Kucinich is?" I had to tell him. A fine example of the voting populace.....
TOPICS: Announcements; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: fraud; illinois; kucinich; votefraud; voterregistration; witness
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To: prairiebreeze
I think voter fraud is for voting illegally. I think this woman was performing a public service.
Where I live, they mailed me the form, I mailed it back, and was registered. I am sure they verified my residence.
Heck, you could register everyone in your county, that doesn't mean they are going to show up on election day and vote.
I think you jumped the gun on this.
41
posted on
12/16/2003 9:53:38 AM PST
by
Pan_Yans Wife
("Your joy is your sorrow unmasked." --- GIBRAN)
To: Maceman
But at least she was a state official (employee). The too-small-to-read type part is disgusting.
Prairie
42
posted on
12/16/2003 9:54:30 AM PST
by
prairiebreeze
(Rejoice in the love God has shown by sending His Son to live among us and in our hearts.)
To: prairiebreeze
Heck, I registered by mail.
Nothing to see here.
43
posted on
12/16/2003 9:55:13 AM PST
by
sharktrager
(There are 2 kinds of people in this world: people with loaded guns and people who dig.)
To: prairiebreeze
FYI. I've seen registration tables at malls and fairs sponsored by political parties. I don't recall them asking for ID or my showing ID when I reregisterd. Good point. I also think in Califronia you are not always asked for ID when you show up at the polls. It's sporadically enforced.
44
posted on
12/16/2003 9:56:43 AM PST
by
breakem
To: Pan_Yans Wife
Seems as if it facilitates fraud at minimum. Just counting on people not showing up to vote gives me for one, darned little comfort.
A link posted earlier shows two types ID required at specific locations for registration. So,......I dunno.
Would you give your drivers license number and personal info to a stranger at the store? I wouldn't
45
posted on
12/16/2003 9:57:08 AM PST
by
prairiebreeze
(Rejoice in the love God has shown by sending His Son to live among us and in our hearts.)
To: prairiebreeze
In almost every state, a person can register by filling out a form (maybe under penalty of perjury), and mailing or sending it in to the registrar of voters. Even in the most stringent states, requiring that the form be notarized, it's easy to become a notary. I used to go door-to-door on my precinct, find the unregistered, then get my mom, the notary, to come over and get their form (if favorable!).
The only illegal things I can think of would be taking your form and throwing it away if you were GOP, notarizing data known to be false, etc. Otherwise (passing any trespassing issues), she was just doing what we should be out doing.
OTOH, she could have been mistaken on any number of points -- I could tell you hair-curling stories of just plain idiots (of all persuasions) trying to sign petitions, fill out voter forms, etc and messing up royally.
To: prairiebreeze
In most states, anybody can go around encouraging people to fill out voter registration forms and offer to mail them in. College campuses are full of tables staffed by students doing just this. The verification stuff is supposed to happen when the forms are processed, though of course it usually doesn't, and the law doesn't provide much opportunity (much less requirement) for serious verification anyway.
In my state, Pennsylvania, the "motor-votor" law ends up allowing absolutely anyone to get registered to vote. I once met a foreign citizen college student who had been startled to receive a voter registration card in the mail. She knew she wasn't eligible to vote here, and certainly hadn't attempted to register. Turned out when she got a driver's license and DIDN'T check the "yes, I want to register to vote" box, somebody just checked it for her (maybe they do that for everybody, or maybe they just make sure to do it for people with dark skin -- she was from India).
To: prairiebreeze
Prairie. Didn't you register to vote? What was the proceedure, then?
No, I would have ignored the woman. In fact I asked for the forms to be mailed to me, so I could do it at home.
Why don't you check out your state's Sec. of State website, and see what it says?
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posted on
12/16/2003 9:59:11 AM PST
by
Pan_Yans Wife
("Your joy is your sorrow unmasked." --- GIBRAN)
To: prairiebreeze
This is perfectly legal as long as the person remains on public property. It goes on all the time here in CA. Once I was accosted at a Trader Joe's and since I'd just moved I said "sure." But when I tried to register as a Republican the rent-a-registrar said, "No, we're only registering Democrats." I couldn't believe my ears! I checked and found it's legal, at least in this state. I later was instrumental in setting up a Republicans-only registration desk at the local mall. It can work both ways.
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posted on
12/16/2003 9:59:11 AM PST
by
Bernard Marx
("Do what you are afraid to do." Anonymous.)
To: meyer
Cameras won't help. Voter fraud is rampent in the US. In Milwaukee, the local news actually had a news team and a video of a woman from the New York DNC handing out cigarettes for votes to bums in 2000.
Smokes for votes
To: Pan_Yans Wife
I am sure they verified my residence. I am sure they accomplished this "verification" by the fact that you received the form at (or via) the address you gave them, and nothing more.
To: Bernard Marx
This is perfectly legal as long as the person remains on public propertyThis is what the manager tried to distinguish by saying she could be outside but not inside the store I suppose.
Prairie
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posted on
12/16/2003 10:02:21 AM PST
by
prairiebreeze
(Rejoice in the love God has shown by sending His Son to live among us and in our hearts.)
To: Veritas_est
No kidding -- see my post #47.
To: GovernmentShrinker
True, and they didn't check to see if I was a citizen, of course.
Politicians do not want to make voting fraud proof.
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posted on
12/16/2003 10:03:26 AM PST
by
Pan_Yans Wife
("Your joy is your sorrow unmasked." --- GIBRAN)
To: Pan_Yans Wife
What was the proceedure, then? Darned if I remember. Been too many years. Whenever I go to vote I'm registered and in the book. I pull out ID and that's it.
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posted on
12/16/2003 10:05:30 AM PST
by
prairiebreeze
(Rejoice in the love God has shown by sending His Son to live among us and in our hearts.)
To: prairiebreeze
I don't know what state you're in, but in California, voter registration does not have to be done by state or county officials, as you said. Most voter registration is done by volunteers, standing outside stores as the woman you wrote about did, or by people at swap meets or town festivals and places like that. Is it illegal to register voters outside stores in your area, or was the woman inside the store?
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posted on
12/16/2003 10:06:57 AM PST
by
CalKat
To: prairiebreeze
If you want to track her down just find the local Dennis Kucenich group in your community and go to a meeting and volunteer to help sign up voters. I am sure you will find her there can't be more than 5 or 10 supporters in your community
or go and find out where and when she will be next, tell some friends who can go have a debate with her about her illegal activities and the merits of the elf boy.
forget about the government or republican associations, have fun, take care of it yourself
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To: prairiebreeze
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posted on
12/16/2003 10:10:18 AM PST
by
Pan_Yans Wife
("Your joy is your sorrow unmasked." --- GIBRAN)
To: diamondjoe
Also, at least in California, the same registration form is used for all parties. So a Republican can easily fill out a registration form being presented by a Kucinich supporter. It's not like because she's a Kucinich supporter she's only registering Democrats.
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posted on
12/16/2003 10:10:37 AM PST
by
CalKat
To: prairiebreeze
When I told him that the woman was registering voters for Kucinich he said, "I don't even know who Kucinich is?"
He's not missing much....but such lack of knowledge benefits Dennis The Menace.
-Eric
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posted on
12/16/2003 10:12:09 AM PST
by
E Rocc
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