UFO Invasion at Rendlesham on the SCI FI channel (Live Thread)

www.scifi.com ^ | Friday, December 12, 2003 | Bryant Gumbel

[Momaw Nadon]

About the Rendlesham Incident

In late December 1980, in Rendlesham Forest, England, numerous U.S. military personnel witnessed what has come to be regarded as the most significant military-UFO incident in the history of Great Britain.

The servicemen were posted to the RAF Bentwaters and RAF Woodbridge facilities — which together constitute one of the largest NATO bases in rural Suffolk, East Anglia — when, on December 27, they noticed unusual lights and activity near the base's back gate. A trio of security patrolmen led by Jim Penniston, thinking a military aircraft might be down or in distress, ventured into Rendlesham Forest to investigate. There they observed a variety of unearthly phenomena that none of them could explain, as well as an airborne object obscured by its own blinding light.

The next day, December 28, they returned to the forest and found three radioactive depressions in the ground where the object had been sighted. That night, other witnesses in surrounding areas saw an intense red light pulsating and moving through the trees.

Soon afterward, several of the men involved, including Airman Larry Warren, were debriefed by U.S. and British officers and ordered to sign documents contradicting their firsthand accounts. Furthermore, they were told to remain silent and were warned by U.S. military intelligence personnel that, if they didn't, "Bullets are cheap."

Two weeks after these incidents, Lt. Colonel Charles Halt (who retired years later following his promotion to colonel) wrote a memo detailing everything that the patrolmen had seen and sent the document to his superiors at the Pentagon — and the most comprehensive cover-up in the history of Britain began.

But the truth has refused to remain hidden. In December 2002, the British Ministry of Defense released a file on the Rendlesham incident that comprised 180 pages of previously classified memos, letters, reports and correspondence. But despite the British government's admission that a UFO-related incident took place near the Bentwaters and Woodbridge airfields in 1980, the U.S. government still refuses to release its own files about the encounter.

Now SCI FI brings you this shocking exposé, complete with documentation, new physical evidence and firsthand accounts by both military and civilian witnesses — including Penniston and Halt, who have jeopardized their reputations and military pensions in order to seek out the truth. Join host Bryant Gumbel as SCI FI presents its exclusive investigation of one of the most important UFO incidents of the 20th century.

[Quix]

Night.

Check out Steven M Greer's DISCLOSURE PROJECT site.

Or, better yet,

his

EXTRATERRESTRIAL CONTACT: The Evidence and Implications.

[Qwinn]

"The SciFi Channel's assertion that this sighting is more important than Roswell is over the top as well... a mere sighting as opposed to reports of a crashed ship recovered by our military??? Not even in the same league."

Eh, I dunno about that. Depends on what it is you're evaluating, I guess - the importance of what was said to have happened, or the evidence available that something -did- happen and was covered up. It's not like we have actual physical evidence of a wrecked alien craft from Roswell available to the public, but we do have pretty solid evidence that something very significant, rather inexplicable by any other theory and of unusual concern was covered up at Roswell. I didn't see the special tonight, but I'm gathering that in Rendlesham we have more available evidence of a coverup of something similar and fairly inexplicable (assuming you don't buy the lighthouse explanation) than at Roswell. So in that sense, if you base the "importance" on how much available evidence of a coverup there exists, you could say Rendlesham competes with it. Now if both theories were -actually proven true-, then yes, I'd agree that Roswell would seem to be more significant :) But I think the "importance" at this point has to rest on how convincing the overall evidence is - until the general public believes either story, it's not really going to matter.

Qwinn

[Pro-Bush]

Hope you don't get abducted!

Night Quix!

[Quix]

Not expecting it.

I fiercely pray in tongues and I suspect God has told them hands off a certain sort or a list or some such of at least certain types of or most types of authentic Believers.

[Swordmaker]

Can you share a lot more detail of your experience?

Tuesday, October 8, 1968 - Sacramento, CA

I was the Publicity Director for "Sing Out Sacramento", a group of 200 teenagers and young adults affiliated with "Up With People!". Our group, along with the Sacramento Union newspaper and KOVR-TV (if I remember correctly), were sponsering an appearence of the national cast of "Up With People!" in Hughes Stadium at Sacramento City College where I was a first year student.

There were over 8000 people in the grandstand and approximately 185 cast members on stage. The Sacramento Union had issued me a camera to take "candid" shots of the cast and crowd during the show, from the viewpoint of the cast and back stage. The Union had a professional photographer in front of the stage.

The show was about 45 minutes in from the 8:00PM starting time. I was back stage on the football playing field and had just taken a great backlit shot of the cast in silhouette from the 50 yard line as they were singing "Freedom Isn't Free." The grandstand faces East, so I was facing West.

I backed up some more thinking to try and get the crowd in as well. After opening my lens aperature to its widest and shutter speed real slow, I looked up. To my astonishment a disk shaped UFO was hovering over the back of the crowd, moving from South to North about 25 degrees up from the horizon (the top of the pressbox on the grandstand was about 15 degrees above the horizon from my viewpoint). The object diffusely reflected city lights off of its bottom curvature and light from just-past-full moon on the edge. I could not see anything of the top.

It moved toward the North, stopped for a moment, and then took off straight up at a high velocity. As it got higher it got harder and harder to see as it was only visible in reflected light. It was gone in under two seconds, dwindling to a speck that disappeared in the dark.

Now the idiot of all time report. I stood there with my mouth agape, HOLDING A CAMERA and did not take a picture! I kick myself to this day that I didn't have the presence of mind to try and photograph it.

No one in the crowd saw it... but many of the cast members, who were not dazzled by the stage lighting, did. The following Autumn I transferred to Mackinac College in Michigan (the place where "Up With People!" was started) where I found my roommate in the dorm had been a member of that cast and had seen the UFO. He told me it was the talk of the tour buses the next day on the way to their next gig. The cast members who had not seen it did not believe those who had. There were several other singers from the national cast who were members of the student body at Mackinac who had also seen the UFO. We got together and compared notes. We agreed the object was approximately three times the size of the full moon... some said they saw lights or that it glowed. I did not see that. One student said he stopped singing and doing the choreography and just stood there until the guy next to him elbowed him. None of us saw it appear... all of us saw it zoom upwards.

My parents believed me but no one else did... frustrating.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

You must be talking about my old stomping grounds of the Farmington-Aztec-Bloomfield area. I lived there in 1954-56 and 1973-1977. I wish I was there now.
I also lived at Roswell in 1959 and was stationed there in 1966-1967. No one ever said anything about the so-called UFO crash. But there was another weird thing that happened the air base flight line. I didn't see it but it was told to me by a soldier on duty. Have you ever heard of the B-52 that landed with a strange glowing object on it's radome?

[Smokin' Joe]

Why can't we all...just get along?

[Quix]

Exceedingly believable.

Thanks. Great detail.

Sounds fairly typical in a lot of respects.

Glad you had confirmation from a diversity of group members.

Yeah, sad about the camera but understandable.

THANKS TONS.

[Glenn]

My cable company moved SciFi up to digital this past week. I'm suffering extreme withdrawal.

[Quix]

Ahhhh, so we lived here at the same time.

Farmington High, Tibbetts Jr High, McCormick?

Do you know the area near the bluffs and pinacle near Bolack's?

Did you notice the overflight in 1957? I didn't. I don't know why. Plenty of other people did.

Would love to get area FREEPERS together. I wonder how many there is.

[Quix]

I faintly recall reading one or two very brief mentions of the B52, unless I'm imagining it.

I can't recall anything else about it, though. Do you have any more detail?

[Quix]

What do you mean the moved it up to digital?
HDTV?

[Glenn]

What do you mean the moved it up to digital?

I'm on regular cable (no cable box). They have digital cable available but it adds a ton of cost with little return on programming (in my opinion). Digital allows them to broadcast HDTV and Dolby 5.1. Personally, I think they took it to digital to torture me because I haven't signed on the dotted line.

[Quix]

I C.

Thanks.

We have Direct-TV

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

I also went to McCormick school in 1956. We lived just north of the old Bloomfield Highway bridge. We were supposed to go to the mid town school but it was too far so we lied to the McCormick school board about the address.
I was gone in 1957 so didn't see ant fly over. I did see a B-36 fly very low over low in 1955. I was living at that time North of Main st near the Allan Theatre. There was a grocery store on the west corner across from the old hotel. We lived behind the hotel and vfw hall.
I moved back there in 1973 and left for my current job in 1977.
I've been to the Bolack Square D Ranch for the San Juan Wildlife Federation dinner and saw his trophies.

As for Roswell...
When they closed the base we were sent to Little Rock. While there one of the men I worked with started telling me a tale of how a B-52 radio'ed in it had a glowing mass on it's front radome(nose cone). When it landed it was parked next to my friend's B-52 and it was immediatly surrounded by APES (what we used to call the Air Police, now Security police) with machineguns and other interesting firepower.
What ever was there then detached itself and flew off.
I did not see it. I had worked the early and was then off duty and asleap. I later asked the other man who saw it and he immediatly clammed up and just said "wasn't nothing."
The squadrom commander talked to all on duty and saw it happen. His words were simple. "You men did not see what you just saw." I ve never heard any more about it.

I regret the day I left NM.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

One more thing...
The Roswell Daily Record has reported unverified sensationalist claims in the past. In 1960 or 61 they printed a front page story, complete with photo of the skin, of two hunters who shot a dragon or extremely large serpent near Ruidoso. It made about a week of headlines when the men finally admitted they had traded several six packs of beer for an old python skin then concocted the story.

[al baby]

4 corners area town where 1957 saw a massive fly-over of UFO's covered in the local paper.


How did they get the paper to stay on the ufos ? duct tape?

[Quix]

Cute. Cute.

Last I heard, the Farmington Daily Times files with the issue about the fly over was mysteriously missing. But I haven't checked that out. Would seem odd to allow such. Has historically been an award winning small town paper.

[Quix]

Guess I wouldn't doubt that.

Doesn't phase me a bit in terms of the massive amounts of other data on the UFO and related phenomena.

[Quix]

Interesting story.

Sorry you regret leaving NM. There are a lot of redeeming social and other values to living here. A fair amount of diversity for the USA small town America.

I'm 56. How old are you? When does Jr High start? I would been 10 in 1956. Might have still been at McCormic.