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The New Normal: Singleness in America
BreakPoint ^ | 11 Dec 03 | Chuck Colson

Posted on 12/11/2003 7:55:35 AM PST by Mr. Silverback

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To: Mr. Silverback
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181 posted on 12/11/2003 11:34:31 AM PST by VOA
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To: Jim Cane
Although I do consider myself to be a decent human being, the plain fact is that I enjoy spending time with my husband and he enjoys spending time with me.

And I don't consider myself to be rare, most people are decent human beings.
182 posted on 12/11/2003 11:35:32 AM PST by Gabz (Smoke gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business - swat'em!!!)
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To: Mr. Silverback
"...there's a genuine cause for concern when people cite widespread singleness as an excuse to promote policies that denigrate traditional families."

Sorry Chuck. Legislation isn't saving, and can't save, the traditional American family. I'm annoyed at being treated like a second-class citizen because I'm single - by Christians and by law and taxes. I work my fair share and more. I could use a few tax breaks taking care of my 'eldering' mother. Laws aren't going to preserve Christianity as it was. It's a post-Christian, nearly post-American society. It's scary, but true.

The only way to get back those traditions and institutions and the respect that once existed for them is for deep change in the HEART, a grassroots longing for those things that gets people looking for them, longing for them, and fighting to preserve them again.

The Supreme Court has almost dictatorial power in this country, and it's out of control. Nothing, seemingly, can stop the descent of this country into anarchy and totolitarianism or some form of socialism/communism.

But the fact that there are millions of single people is just that - a fact - and punishing us for it via taxes and other cultural ostracism isn't going to turn your lost world around.

I'm a single Christian by the way. There, I've said my 2 cents worth.
183 posted on 12/11/2003 11:36:24 AM PST by bluejean
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To: keats5
Marriage isn't about taking. It's about giving. That's why it's so worthwhile, when done right.

amen

And happy anniversary.

184 posted on 12/11/2003 11:37:16 AM PST by Gabz (Smoke gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business - swat'em!!!)
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To: Hodar
If she decides to have kids immediately, instead of waiting; you are expected to support her unilaterial decision.

How is that any different from the past? If you are married, and having sex on a regular basis, you should expect that there is good possibility that your wife will get pregnant. You act like there was some golden era when men could force their wife to have/not have children. The only way to control that is abstinance.

185 posted on 12/11/2003 11:38:06 AM PST by LWalk18
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To: RosieCotton
Naive...had to end with another slam, didn't you?

Well, you dance with a scorpion... :^)

You'll do fine. I checked your page. Smart lass, youngish, talented, nice rack...just be merciful to men who show you persistent and lasting kindnesses.

186 posted on 12/11/2003 11:38:09 AM PST by Jim Cane
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To: Hodar
Here, if you get the house, you also get the payment-ditto the car(s). The custodial parent gets the house as a rule, and sadly, I see a growing number of women walking away and leaving the husband AND kids, sometimes for another man, just like men do for another woman. My own husband had that happen to him. In that case, she has to pay child support, and that is right and fair, although many men have too much pride to collect it, which I consider dumb.
187 posted on 12/11/2003 11:38:09 AM PST by Texan5 (You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line..)
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To: keats5
Marriage isn't about taking. It's about giving. That's why it's so worthwhile, when done right.

Very nice post. Thank you!

188 posted on 12/11/2003 11:38:31 AM PST by RosieCotton
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To: bluejean
The only way to get back those traditions and institutions and the respect that once existed for them is for deep change in the HEART, a grassroots longing for those things that gets people looking for them, longing for them, and fighting to preserve them again.

It would help if bureaucrats at all levels of government would get the h3ll out of the way of religion, as the Constitution demands, and not freak out every time someone mentions the name "Jesus" or openly wears a cross in the classroom.

189 posted on 12/11/2003 11:42:26 AM PST by Jim Cane
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To: Jim Cane
I'm up there helping him clean the gutters.

You're a decent human being. Rare.

Hey, there's lots of us women who are handy around the house and yard! I can float sheetrock and use a drill with the best of them :o)

Heck I just changed the drain trap under the sink because I refuse to pay a plumber a couple of hundred bucks for a $10 job.

190 posted on 12/11/2003 11:42:27 AM PST by CajunConservative
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To: Jim Cane
As Drew said in office space "Better wear a rubber dude". Or you may end up with a Baskin on your Robbin. ;-)
191 posted on 12/11/2003 11:45:13 AM PST by Gottwnz
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To: Salgak
Given the current social environment, where a single man can pretty much get all the sex he wants

Where is your environment located, and would you mind if I dropped by for a visit?

192 posted on 12/11/2003 11:46:28 AM PST by ThinkDifferent
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To: Jim Cane; RosieCotton
When you find that man, Rosie, help him with the yardwork, and cook dinner together.

I show my appreciation by helping my husband with the yardwork and gutter cleaning. We also make furniture together on weekends, because we don't work at the same place during the week, and enjoy working together. There are always fresh flowers in our house, and I do cook dinner and make him a drink when he gets home. Mutual respect, and doing things for each other that say "I think you're great the way you are".
193 posted on 12/11/2003 11:46:53 AM PST by Texan5 (You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line..)
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To: Texan5
...although many men have too much pride to collect it, which I consider dumb.

And we have some trouble understanding why you ladies are so pre-occupied with us not leaving the toilet seat up, but we don't think you're all dumb because of it ;P

194 posted on 12/11/2003 11:49:14 AM PST by Orangedog (difference between a hamster & a gerbil?..there's more dark-meat on a hamster!)
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To: Texan5
Quite possibly the sanest post in this thread . . . and I say that as one of the single guys. I used to be just like the guys in this thread that blame women for not appreciating how "nice" they are. That is until I finally owned up to the fact that I wasn't being nice because I was nice. I was being manipulative. I would venture to say that many of the alpha males the malcontents in this thread complain about are actually guys who are simply honest and confident about what they want.

As for manipulative females, if you can't figure out you're with one before you get married you're blind, possibly stupid or simply thinking with your--well, you get my point. I would contend the women that manage to completely disguise their true natures before marriage are the exception and not the rule.

Perhaps if you spent less time sampling "shapes,sizes and flavors" and instead sampled personalities you might find the right one.

Now if I could only take my own advice . . .
195 posted on 12/11/2003 11:51:12 AM PST by larryav8r
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To: CajunConservative
"Heck I just changed the drain trap under the sink because I refuse to pay a plumber a couple of hundred bucks for a $10 job."

Heck yeah - in my alter ego, I'm Tool Chick.
196 posted on 12/11/2003 11:52:10 AM PST by bluejean
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To: CajunConservative
Heck I just changed the drain trap under the sink because I refuse to pay a plumber a couple of hundred bucks for a $10 job.

Heh...me too. Except it was the basket assembly, or whatever you call the part that goes between the sink and the drain. Cost me a little more than $10, 'cause I had to buy the tool, but not much. First time I'd done a plumbing job at all, though, so I was pretty darn proud of myself! Silly, I know...

197 posted on 12/11/2003 11:52:18 AM PST by RosieCotton
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To: Hodar
Horrible law! That law was changed here some years ago-if he asks for a paternity test, she has to do it. And if it isn't his kid, he does NOT have to pay, (nor should he!)
198 posted on 12/11/2003 11:52:22 AM PST by Texan5 (You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line..)
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To: CajunConservative
Why is it considered rare that a woman can do yard and handy work?
I never considered myself a tomboy, but I learned the basics with my brothers...

Some things I am not great at doing, but I love cutting fire wood, working in the yard, keeping the garden, getting on the roof to put up decorations and building stuff.

OK, that and I inherited my hateshousekeeping gene from my granny.
199 posted on 12/11/2003 11:52:36 AM PST by najida (Nope, this isn't breaking news either. Come back after dinner.)
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To: Jim Cane
Thanks. ;-)
200 posted on 12/11/2003 11:53:17 AM PST by RosieCotton
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