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Church ordered to dump traditional Christmas tree
Sun Herald ^ | Dec. 10, 2003 | MICHAEL D. WAMBLE

Posted on 12/10/2003 5:30:24 PM PST by yonif

HAMPTON, Va. - (KRT) - Freshly cut trees have been a part of Christmas celebrations at Gloria Dei Lutheran Church in Hampton for decades.

But this year, the 20-foot tall tree will have to be removed from the church's sanctuary, because it violates a ban against using fresh cut trees in areas without sprinklers.

The tree isn't up merely for decoration, said the Rev. L. Douglas Stowe, senior pastor of Gloria Dei. It is part of the church's religious heritage and a tool, Stowe said, to teach children about Jesus.

``We're going to have to take our Chrismon tree down,'' Stowe told two classes of preschoolers during a Christmas program Tuesday. ``And that's a big deal.''

Within the Lutheran faith, trees decorated with handmade religious monogram ornaments that depict the life, death and resurrection of Jesus, like the one at Gloria Dei, are called Chrismon trees. Chrismons started in 1957 at Ascension Lutheran Church in Danville. The word ``Chrismon'' is a blending of Christ and monograms.

Over the last 46 years, Chrismon trees have become a part of the Christmas season for Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists and other Christians across the nation.

But this year, Stowe has watched some ``struggle about how codes are enforced'' in Virginia.

Last Wednesday, the Virginia fire marshal ended a statewide cut Christmas tree ban that took effect in October following complaints from apartment and condo residents who would've been banned from displaying fresh-cut Christmas trees.

But the violation at Gloria Dei falls under a different section of the fire code that was established in 1975 said Hampton Fire Chief Robert Green.

``The code is not the same,'' Green said. ``The code we are referring to has to do with public assembly.'' Along with churches, the code requires sprinklers to be installed near natural cut trees in banquet halls, funeral parlors, libraries and most public places.

Yet so far this year, Green said, Hampton has cited only two churches for violations. Green would not name the other church cited.

Green did credit the outcry against the apartment tree ban with raising awareness among inspectors to find other violations. Green said his department first learned about the cut tree this year from a fire official whose daughter attends Gloria Dei Lutheran School.

Stowe said the church received a notice last Thursday that they had 48 hours to remove the Chrismon tree from the sanctuary. Prior to the notice, Stowe said, the church wasn't aware that it was violating a fire code.

Last Friday, Stowe said, their 48 hours were extended to 30 days.

Later, that number dropped to 10 days, a timetable Gloria Dei received in writing on Tuesday morning, right before the preschool Christmas program.

The difference between 30 days to 10 days is significant because it would have allowed the Chrismon tree at Gloria Dei to be displayed through the Christmas season. Though Stowe said he understands fire officials are only doing their jobs, ``There have been some mixed signals here.''

The length in which Gloria Dei needed to be in compliance ``was my discretion,'' Green said. ``You have to use what you would consider reasonable.''

Green said the department based its decision on the code with ``no bearing on what the tree was symbolic of.'' But for ministers at Gloria Dei, the fact that it is alive adds to its religious symbolism.

``If you look at Orthodox Jewish tradition, where many of us as Christians acknowledge our religious roots come from, you see that nothing artificial is used,'' said Rev. Edmund Freeborn III, a Presbyterian minister at Gloria Dei. ``You never find silk flowers in a synagogue. Now most Christians might not follow that with trees. But we do.''

In fact, churches are instructed to ``use the freshest flowers possible'' to decorate the sanctuary since the fading of flowers and plants is a reminder of one's human frailty in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America's ``Altar Guide and Sacristy Handbook.''

The handbook also states that in reference to Christmas decorations, ``If there is sufficient room, a Christmas tree (never artificial) may be set up.''

Yet, Chrismon trees at other Lutheran churches in Hampton are and have mainly been artificial.

At Emmanuel Lutheran Church and School, the Chrismon tree will be decorated this Saturday as part of the church's hanging of the greens. While the church always tries to use fresh flowers, the Rev. Paul Napier, pastor of Emmanuel Lutheran, said the church's tree is artificial.

The tree at St. Paul's Lutheran Church has been artificial for years, ``because we have people here with allergies,'' said its pastor, the Rev. Christine Farrow.

St. Paul's also has, Farrow said, ``a retired fire marshal in the congregation.''


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: christmas; churches; decorations; markwarner; nannystate; nazis; purge; trees
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To: GovernmentShrinker
While I do not like government "ordering" many things, this does make sense because of the nature of the particular situation.
21 posted on 12/10/2003 6:46:13 PM PST by Gabz (Smoke gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business - swat'em!!!)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Not anti-Christian, anti-freedom.

It's neither.

If they had a sprinkler system they would be fine - they don't. Fire Marshall rules and regulations are a bit different than many other arbitrary rules and regulations.

22 posted on 12/10/2003 6:49:37 PM PST by Gabz (Smoke gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business - swat'em!!!)
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To: yonif
...you see that nothing artificial is used,'' said Rev. Edmund Freeborn III, a Presbyterian minister at Gloria Dei.i>

OK. That means no electricity and lights. If they don't mount candles to the tree and they keep the trunk in water, what is the hazard?

23 posted on 12/10/2003 6:51:39 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: Diverdogz
They can have the tree if they put in a sprinkler system. Following the fire code is just good sense. Sprinklers can buy enough time to safely get out of a building. Nothing to get upset about.

You're right. My home doesn't have a sprinkler system either. You better come and get the Christmas tree I put in my living room.

And while you're at it, take all my books too. They're all made of paper. Paper burns like a mother.

And disconnect my gas too. What if my dang house blows up? (But leave me my microwave...please...I don't see why the gubmint should want it...I don't use it in religious services or nuthin'...)

24 posted on 12/10/2003 6:52:42 PM PST by Map Kernow (" 'Hate speech' is just 'speech liberals hate' ")
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To: Right_in_Virginia
This isn't a government/religion "thing". It's a fire code "thing".

You're right.

No one ever complained or griped about these fire codes "things" in the past. But in a way I understand why they keep popping up of late -- there are so many other things being attacked in regards to rights and freedoms everyone feels a need to have their own 'schtick.'

25 posted on 12/10/2003 6:54:40 PM PST by Gabz (Smoke gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business - swat'em!!!)
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To: beezdotcom
I don't actually seeing that as being worse - it means government is actually getting down to where it belongs - the local level.

(I know I'm out of line here, but couldn't resist)
26 posted on 12/10/2003 6:58:40 PM PST by Gabz (Smoke gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business - swat'em!!!)
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To: Map Kernow
You better breathe into a paper bag or something before you hyperventilate.

I'm not aware of regulations anywhere which would forbid you,in your own single occupancy dwelling, from having a Christmas tree. See, the fire code just isn't that intrusive.

I'd have a tree this year myself, but we are installing porcelain tile in the house the week of Chrismas. A Christmas tree would just get in the way.
27 posted on 12/10/2003 7:12:01 PM PST by Diverdogz
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To: VOA
One of the volatile oils in the pine tree is the original form of turpintine combined with dried out wood is a fire waiting to happen.
28 posted on 12/10/2003 7:23:42 PM PST by Nebr FAL owner (.308 "reach out and thump someone " & .50 cal Browning "reach out & CRUSH someone")
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To: Diverdogz
My grandmother used to tell me that when they used REAL candles on the family tree, it was ESSENTIAL to water the tree on a regular basis. Even with that precaution, she remembered a few Christmas fires...
29 posted on 12/10/2003 7:23:54 PM PST by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: Diverdogz; yonif
Deck The Halls From Childhood:

Deck the halls with gasoline

Fa la la la la, la la la la

Strike a match and watch it glean

Fa la la la la, la la la la

Watch the house burn to ashes Fa la la, la la la, la la la See the Christmas Tree on Fire

Fa la la la la, la la la la

30 posted on 12/10/2003 7:29:52 PM PST by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: yonif
You think that's bad?

Dang...they won't even let us have real CANDLES in our (Catholic) churches anymore. Only those stupid-looking push-button things.

I tell you, it's a wonder we all survived without so much "protection."

Regards,
31 posted on 12/10/2003 7:36:12 PM PST by VermiciousKnid
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To: Diverdogz
I'm not aware of regulations anywhere which would forbid you,in your own single occupancy dwelling, from having a Christmas tree. See, the fire code just isn't that intrusive.

Yet.

32 posted on 12/10/2003 7:43:26 PM PST by petitfour
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To: yonif
There are chemicals that can be sprayed onto trees that will be absorbed and will keep the tree from igniting even if a blow torch is applied. Duah!
33 posted on 12/10/2003 7:51:10 PM PST by ThinkLikeWaterAndReeds
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To: Diverdogz
Only took 4 posts to get reactionary response. But I was expecting something more hysterical such as claiming anti-Christian bias in the enforecement of the fire code.

I don't want you to be disappointed. If there was a real risk, they wouldn't have given 10 days, they would have required it to be removed before the next Sunday service. The 30 day/10 day switch does make it appear that whoever the Fire Marshall is taking orders from gave more specific instruction to have it out before the 25th after he made his first ruling.

34 posted on 12/10/2003 7:56:33 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Diverdogz
Here's a reactionary response. The authorities are always quick and efficient in screwing over the law-abiding and productive citizenry because it so much easier than stamping out drug dealing and murders and those other petty irritations. Screw mama government. We don't need a mama, or a nanny, or a common scold, we need a daddy with some common sense.
35 posted on 12/10/2003 7:57:28 PM PST by mathurine
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To: yonif; AAABEST; Ace2U; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; amom; AndreaZingg; Anonymous2; ApesForEvolution; ..
Rights, farms, environment ping.

Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.

36 posted on 12/10/2003 8:00:12 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)
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To: Clemenza
ROFL
37 posted on 12/10/2003 8:12:37 PM PST by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: yonif
They ought to tell the fire department to F-off. Every church I have ever been a member of has one or more real Christmas trees and none of them have ever had sprinklers. You can't buy an artificial tree tall enounh as they just dont make them. Just more government bureaucrats sticking their nose into religion under a safety excuse.
38 posted on 12/10/2003 8:16:36 PM PST by CdMGuy
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To: yonif
Over the last 46 years, Chrismon trees have become a part of the Christmas season for Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists and other Christians across the nation.

Hmmm...only 46 years? I guess nobody knew what they were doing for the 1,954 years before that.

39 posted on 12/10/2003 8:21:18 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: eeriegeno
**YET the WTC, with 10's of thousands of employees, was allowed to be open for business with 'no' sprinkler system and no plan of evacuation in case of emergency.**

Good point.

But I think they are thinking of the safety of children and parishioners here.

40 posted on 12/10/2003 8:25:50 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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