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A Real War: Fighting the Worst Fascists Since Hitler
National Review ^ | 12/5/03 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 12/06/2003 5:19:31 PM PST by bdeaner

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To: bdeaner
Hanson bump!
21 posted on 12/06/2003 9:56:53 PM PST by VOA
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To: defenderSD
This is essentially speculation with little basis in fact. The goal of Op Desert Storm was to kick Iraq out of Kuwait while destroying most of its military equipment. The goal was not to completely destroy the Iraqi army because this would have left Iraq vulnerable to invasion by Iran. The first Bush Administration was hoping that the remaining Iraqi army officers would turn on Saddam and remove him from power. Unfortunately, the army didn't rebel and Saddam stayed in power.

There is nothing speculative about it, then Gen. Colin Powell prematurely ended the war with Pre. Bush's (No. 41)approval. There was NO NEED to completely destroy the Iraqi army, just the Republican guard who were trapped on the "Highway of Death" from Kuwait. Powell said an action to continue would have been "UNCHIVALROUS AND UNAMERICAN". If you remember, WE WON THAT WAR and virtually had the whole world on our side at the time as well.

Futhermore, President George Bush (No. 41) has now publicly regretted taking Powell's ill advised politically correct advice. A prescription for future failure because the problem was not dealt with at the time when we had the whole world on board.

By allowing the remaining Iraqi Republican Guard to get away insured Saddam Hussein's survival.

Iran had enough sense to stay out of Iraq as did Libya. The only country that I can think of that supported Iraq was Yemen. Arafat did as well and that cost him severely.

22 posted on 12/06/2003 11:19:04 PM PST by Mel Gibson
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To: bdeaner
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24 posted on 12/06/2003 11:46:06 PM PST by primeval patriot
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To: bdeaner
Thank you for the definition. The leftist who yelled that at us was so brave, he was driving by and yelled it instead of getting out of his car and facing us. I can see where some of the leftists look at the definition and then totally distort what a fascist is. They think that just because we truly love our country and exhibit national pride it makes us Nazis.
25 posted on 12/07/2003 12:45:39 AM PST by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: sauropod
read later
26 posted on 12/07/2003 4:48:21 AM PST by sauropod (I believe Tawana! Sharpton for Prez! Slap the Donkey or Spank the Monkey? Your Choice)
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To: LoudRepublicangirl
Thanks for your observations & the report of what happened. It shows how much we need this discussion.
27 posted on 12/07/2003 6:29:16 AM PST by GatekeeperBookman ("The War does indeed have many facets; http://aztlan.net/ Look at your enemy." Listen to Tancredo)
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To: Mel Gibson
Without even going into the NWO, one can see that Powell saw the weakness-that Eastern Blue Blood civility which can't quite deal with the really world of killers. Of course, its almost impossible to look at this without asking why the Pouting Powell is still around!?!

Thanks for your effort & the tagline.
28 posted on 12/07/2003 6:33:03 AM PST by GatekeeperBookman ("The War does indeed have many facets; http://aztlan.net/ Look at your enemy." Listen to Tancredo)
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To: bdeaner
I have repeatedly noted that the Adorno book was a fine case we should note-the book is NEVER mentioned by the Left ( media, academia, &etc ). It shows too clearly what they can't allow to be discussed-IMHO. I even had one psych prof who admitted this in class.

I shall print, read, & likely forward your link. Thanks for such useful information!
29 posted on 12/07/2003 6:36:45 AM PST by GatekeeperBookman ("The War does indeed have many facets; http://aztlan.net/ Look at your enemy." Listen to Tancredo)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
You are pretty much on target-but one small differrence between then & NOW.

I think of LBJ as the creature in the old '50's SciFio film, THE THING-it was found buried in the Polar ice in a crashed 'saucer'! James Arness' first role I believe-& he spoke not one word, only walking to his demise in an electric flash. A vegetable creature, a mindless monster prone to crush anyone in his path.

Today we have a somewhat different President. We also have a population which is on-line or likely knows someone who is. Even the flawed & endangered Ma-ha-Rushie has spawned countless little radio 'rushies'.

Thanks for the cautionary observations.
30 posted on 12/07/2003 6:52:04 AM PST by GatekeeperBookman ("The War does indeed have many facets; http://aztlan.net/ Look at your enemy." Listen to Tancredo)
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To: Mel Gibson
IN ninety one did we not promise the saudis we would not invade iraq, isnt that why they didnt protest our going to war with hussein, I seen or read somewhere that the middle east heads of state were concerned , the saudis were afraid we would take over iraqs oil ,if we took the whole country am I right with this.
31 posted on 12/07/2003 7:20:38 AM PST by douglas1
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To: LoudRepublicangirl
It actually goes back to the fact that fascists and communists used to be rivals in the recruiting war for the totalitarian-minded intellectuals of Europe. Indeed, they commonly traded members back and forth as happens with faddish elite beliefs. Mussolini was a socialist. So was Hitler, but being the other "side of the same coin" led to great hatred between Communists and Fascists. One side's outlook was "international" and the other was more inward and focused on the "nation" or "Volk."

So somewhere along the line, despite the pact between Stalin and Hitler, the communists viewed the fascists as their arch-enemy, and as such would soon label ANYONE who opposed them as "Fascist."

So what you see today, despite being terribly inaccurate, is merely a continuation of that ideological European war.
32 posted on 12/07/2003 7:31:56 AM PST by Skywalk
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To: bdeaner
Islam _is_ the culmination and combination of religion+facism. Nothing less.

It is antithetical to the concept of a loving, peaceful religion.

It is antithetical to the concept of democracy.

It is antithetical to the notion of "religious freedom".

It is diametrically opposed to EVERYTHING the Judeo-Christian West represents.

Islam and the Western World cannot co-exist in peace. One _must_ triumph over the other.

I prefer that it be OUR side that wins.

Am I implying that the inhabitants of today's Islamic nations can never adopt self-government, religious freedom, social tolerance, and reach peace with the rest of the world? No.

What I _am_ implying is that they can never truly accomplish such achievements so long as Islam lives within them and around them. Remove Islam from the equation, and anything might become possible.

If that means the complete and utter destruction of Islam as cult and religion is required in order to achieve such victory.... well, I won't go further....

In my backyard I have two apple trees. Each and every year, the apples fall to the ground, and each and every year, I have to pick them up and pitch them into the bushes to get rid of them.

If I truly want to rid myself of the problem of falling apples once and for all, what must I do?

Cheers!
- John
33 posted on 12/07/2003 7:37:59 AM PST by Fishrrman
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To: defenderSD
Not speculation,
you just made the other guy's point.
34 posted on 12/07/2003 7:53:04 AM PST by norton
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To: an amused spectator; Skywalk
In contrast, the hijackers chose not to take the top off the World Trade Center, but to incinerate the entire building — proof that they wished not to send us a message but to kill us all, and to kill us to the applause of millions, if the recent popularity of Osama bin Laden and his henchmen in the Arab street is any indication.

I have to issue a slight correction re Eminem. The generic nature of the rapper's comments have been pointed out to me.

"We've got a choice: Do we want flush toilets, or do we want to crap behind a rock?"

"The Dixie Chicks, Eminem Barbra Streisand and their like, apparently enjoy the prospect of using the nearest handy rock."

35 posted on 12/07/2003 8:50:05 AM PST by an amused spectator (1,700 innocent civilians saved by United States troops in November, 2003)
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To: an amused spectator
Excellent edit, my friend.
36 posted on 12/07/2003 9:04:15 AM PST by Skywalk
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To: bdeaner
The good Dr. Ray may be the Larger Hammer often sought.

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37 posted on 12/07/2003 9:49:45 AM PST by GatekeeperBookman ("The War does indeed have many facets; http://aztlan.net/ Look at your enemy." Listen to Tancredo)
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To: douglas1
The Brits were furious about the cease-fire. So were the Saudis, Qataris and other Arab Gulf countries. In fact, Newsweek reported British Gulf commander Gen. Sir Peter de la Billiere went "ballistic" and British Foreign Secretary Douglas Hurd--who happened to be in Washington--jumped Bush about it immediately, unfortunately to no avail.

No, the Saudis were on our side during Operation Desert Storm. The Arab Gulf countries wanted Saddam Hussein removed since they lived closest to the "loose cannon". Keep in mind, that Saddam Hussein also started the war with Iran. Worrying about taking over Iraqi oil had nothing to do with it. Make no mistake about it, the current war ongoing in Iraq is a result of unfinished business from the first war with Iraq. The Kuwaitis hate Saddam Hussein, he raped their women and destroyed their country, naturally they wanted him out. President Bush (No. 41) and Colin Powell held all the cards and did not take advantage of what they had.

38 posted on 12/07/2003 10:21:13 AM PST by Mel Gibson (Colin Powell is living proof that affirmative action is a failure.)
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To: GatekeeperBookman
its almost impossible to look at this without asking why the Pouting Powell is still around!?!

Political Correctness.

39 posted on 12/07/2003 10:26:17 AM PST by Mel Gibson (Colin Powell is living proof that affirmative action is a failure.)
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To: Skywalk
I was aware of the rivalry between the communists and fascist-hence during WWII the Russians fighting the Germans. As we have seen, both systems fail humankind. I just find it interesting that many of the "educated elite" continually mislabel those such as myself who do not believe in fascism or socialism with their slurs. They seem to have hijacked history to use to their advantage because they cannot come up with anything else.
40 posted on 12/07/2003 10:45:21 AM PST by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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