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Nellie Connally Disputes Warren Commission
NewsMax.com ^ | 11/25/03 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 11/24/2003 11:56:47 PM PST by kattracks

For all the coverage generated by the 40th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination this past weekend, the media managed to miss the only genuine news to emerge from the commemoration.

Nellie Connally, wife of former Texas Gov. John Connally and the only person still alive who rode in the presidential death limousine, publicly disputed for the first time the Warren Commission's "magic bullet" theory, a scenario absolutely essential to its finding that Lee Harvey Oswald was Kennedy's lone assassin.

A year after the assassination the Commission concluded that Kennedy and Gov. Connally were both wounded by the first shot fired by Oswald from the Texas School Book Depository. A second shot missed completely. A third shot slammed into Kennedy's head and splattered his brains throughout the car.

But Mrs. Connally told CNN's Larry King that Kennedy and her husband couldn't have been struck by the same bullet, because she watched her husband react over a period of two seconds after the first shot struck the president.

"John [Connally] sitting right in front of him knew it was a shot," the former Texas first lady said. "He's a hunter and a shooter, you know. . . ."

Mrs. Connally continued:

"So he turned quick to his right and he couldn't see [Kennedy] because he was directly in front of him. And he said, 'No, no, no' and turned to his left. . . . Now this is a second or two. Then, as he whirled back, the second shot hit John . . ."

When pressed about the single bullet theory adopted by the Warren Commission, Mrs. Connally told King, "Do you think a bullet that went through the president's neck can hang there in air between the two seats while John turned to the right, turned to the left and came back?

"That's what I asked the Warren Commission," she explained. "I said, 'I don't believe a bullet could do that. That bullet -- the same bullet did not hit both of them.'"



TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: conspiracy; jfk; nellieconnally; warrencommission
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To: PhilDragoo
It's the strangest wound. Right in the throat and small. If it was a high velocity .223, I'd think there'd be an exit wound in the back of the neck. Maybe it went through the windshield and lost velocity.
301 posted on 11/28/2003 9:17:07 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: PhilDragoo
There is so much evidence against the magic bullet, it's hopeless to support it. lol
302 posted on 11/28/2003 9:20:25 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: Tares
You assume they were both sitting perfectly erect in their seats at a 90 degree angle. Think about the effect if one or both of JFK and Connally were not sitting perfectly erect. Each degree variation from the vertical produces a corresponding change in the bullet path through the body.

No, the autopsy said that the bullet hole was 45 degrees downward in the body. It would've came out at the stomach if it would've made it that far.

303 posted on 11/28/2003 9:23:02 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: Peace will be here soon
People react in strange ways when they are shot. Some never even know they are shot until much, much later. Connally`s reaction is not unordinary. Sometimes it takes a few seconds before your body will react to the trama cause by a gunshot, sometimes you react immediately. You cannot look at the film and tell exactly when Connally was shot. That is a fact some will never accept.

The ont thing all the SBT apologists continue to gloss over is that Connally continues to hold his Stetson in his right hand long after he is supposedly hit by the same shot that causes Kennedy to reach for his neck. ABC's computer illustration and most other computer recreations conveniently leave the Stetson out of the simulation.

If his right wrist has been shattered by the gunshot, why is he still holding his hat? That's the one thing that still makes me doubt the whole SBT scenario.

I also noticed ABC simulation seems to move Connally well over into Nellie's side of the limo in time for the head shot. That, too, doesn't seem plausible to me although it's pointless except to say computer animation is not pure science.

304 posted on 11/28/2003 9:54:20 AM PST by Tall_Texan ("Is Rush a Hypocrite?" http://righteverytime2.blogspot.com)
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To: Tall_Texan
If his right wrist has been shattered by the gunshot, why is he still holding his hat?
Why do people with a shattered leg or vertebra walk for miles or days before collapsing ? Why do you see dead people still clutching onto all kinds of objects ? How do you explain a woman lifting a car off her pinned husband ? There are just some things that are very difficult to explain. It doesn`t mean that they can`t happen though. We read about these most amazing things happening all the time. Most will say that it was impossible, it couldn`t have happened, yet it does and did. Like I said earlier, people react differently to trama. There is nobody out there that can definitively say when Connally was shot by watching that film. You cannot say just because Connally was still holding his hat that he had not yet been shot. Or that just because he doesn`t look like he had been shot that he wasn`t. If you want to really get down to the brass tacks on this issue, stop looking at that film, you can read into it just about anything you want. For me , there are only two things the film shows. That Kennedy was shot twice, and one of those shots blew his brains out. The conspiracy theorist/investigators etc.. love that film, because they can twist and manipulate any senario to fit what is shown in that film. Stick to the physical evidence. It makes things a bit easier.
305 posted on 11/28/2003 2:04:52 PM PST by Peace will be here soon
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To: texasbluebell; tpaine; #3Fan; DustyMoment
So there had to have been at a minimum 3 shots that hit JFK, not the 2 that are claimed by the proponents of the Official Story.

And a total of at least 5: The first one that missed. This one to his back that didn't penetrate. One to his throat that had to come at him from the front, since it didn't come through from the back. One to his head, whether from front or back.

Not to mention the one (minimum) that hit Connelly.

Arlen Specter--who saw no X-rays, had no ballistic expertise--attempted to account for seven wounds with a single bullet.

The back wound did not penetrate. One shot.

The throat wound--per Crenshaw, Perry, Baxter, Peters, Carrico, Jones (six Parkland physicians)--was small, neat, round. A second shot.

Kennedy's head was hit and moved: from behind and forward: a third shot.

From the front: to the back and left: a fourth shot.

Connolly had five wounds: back, chest, wrist entry, wrist exit, thigh: a fifth shot.

Tague was hit by concrete from a bullet hitting the curb: a sixth shot.

Other witnesses report seeing uniformed officers and presumed law enforcement officials in suits picking up bullets in the grass: additional shots.

The limousine was kept out of public sight and cleaned immediately, concealing additional ballistic evidence, possibly additional shots.

While witnesses heard three shots, many heard the second two within less than a second of each other.

In the acoustical canyon of Dealey Plaza, simultaneous shots would not be heard as distinct shots but as a single shot.

The use of silencers (suppressors) would have reduced the noise level of one or more shots, perhaps reducing the speed to subsonic.

Reduced speed of bullets might have produced nonpenetrating wounds.

Kennedy's body was taken from the sole legitimate criminal jurisdiction, all evidence was taken from Dallas police by the FBI.

Texas and Congress were prevented from investigating, while the Commission relied completely on Hoover's Bureau.

Johnson sealed the files for seventy-five years, a suppression of evidence inconsistent with a single nonaligned killer.

The appearance of a coverup to conceal a conspiracy did not come from Jim Garrison or Oliver Stone: it came from Johnson and Hoover.

306 posted on 11/28/2003 2:30:18 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo
Also, the Bethesda autopsy corpse had earlobes (left half of picture):

JFK had no earlobes (right half of picture, obviously):


307 posted on 11/28/2003 4:03:02 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: DustyMoment; texasbluebell; #3Fan; tpaine; justshutupandtakeit
Is there any indication that the back brace in any way affected either the velocity or trajectory of the bullet?

Many have speculated it kept the president in the sitting position making him a better target.

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The President's personal physician, Dr. George Burkley, drafted the death certificate on November 23, 1963.

It stated the back wound was "at about the level of the third thoracic vertebra."

One of the autopsists, Pierre A. Finck, was questioned under oath February 24, 1969, in State of Louisiana v Clay L. Shaw:

Q Can you give me approximately how far this probe went?

A The first fraction of an inch.

~~~

Also, re-considering that the throat wound was an entry wound versus an exit wound, it might also explain why there was no spray of blood and tissue from the front of Kennedy's neck as the bullet exited.

QED the wound was one of entry.

308 posted on 11/28/2003 4:29:05 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Peace will be here soon
Stick to the physical evidence. It makes things a bit easier.

I am sticking to the physical evidence. He's still holding onto his hat in his right hand after the wrist has supposedly been shot. And I notice all the SBT apologists ignore that physical evidence.

Do this little experiment. Hold a cup of water in one hand. Then shoot yourself in that wrist. Still holding the cup?

309 posted on 11/28/2003 5:23:40 PM PST by Tall_Texan ("Is Rush a Hypocrite?" http://righteverytime2.blogspot.com)
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To: Tall_Texan
Do this little experiment. Hold a cup of water in one hand. Then shoot yourself in that wrist. Still holding the cup?


Nice to see you are being serious about this. Why don`t you shoot yourself in the head and check to see if any brains come out.
310 posted on 11/28/2003 5:57:25 PM PST by Peace will be here soon
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To: #3Fan; Tares
Here is a picture of the entire windshield... There's no way to know that that is the presidential limo and that it was taken before Sunday.

Nor is it the entire windshield, as about a quarter of it on the left is missing from the photo.

311 posted on 11/28/2003 6:23:27 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: Peace will be here soon
Stick to the physical evidence. It makes things a bit easier.

Easier said than done, if the evidence has been tampered with...

312 posted on 11/28/2003 6:26:16 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: #3Fan
Ears are one of the best ways of identification, almost like fingerprints, I've read.

No way are those JFK's ears in that top left photo.
313 posted on 11/28/2003 6:28:48 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: texasbluebell
Well, according to some the freakin film has been tampered with, so now do you have to throw that out ? Its a jumbled cluster #$@% of this theory and that theory, he said this he said that. I am somewhat new to FR , and this was the first JFK thread I was involved with, and I will never get into another one of these again. I was shocked to see how insane some people will get with this stuff !! It is truly scary to read all the posts and the theories people have. There were some very rational discussions going on but they were few and far between. I for one am finished on this thread.
314 posted on 11/28/2003 6:50:33 PM PST by Peace will be here soon (Beware, there are some crazy people around here !!! And I could be one of them !!)
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To: Peace will be here soon
Well, it amazes me too how some can't discuss this issue rationally.

I don't get it. People get so wrapped up in it, that they become uncivilized. There's no reason for it.

We just want this to be settled fairly, and to see justice where justice has been denied for 40 years now. This country deserves the truth, and we the people have been deceived for too long.
315 posted on 11/28/2003 6:57:04 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: texasbluebell
Nor is it the entire windshield, as about a quarter of it on the left is missing from the photo.

Some say the Altgens photo shows a hole in the windshield and it was taken just after the throat wound, long before the head shot, but I've never seen a close up of the area in the picture.

316 posted on 11/28/2003 11:28:44 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: texasbluebell
Ears are one of the best ways of identification, almost like fingerprints, I've read. No way are those JFK's ears in that top left photo.

Exactly right. No way those are JFK's ears.

317 posted on 11/28/2003 11:29:49 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: Peace will be here soon
I was shocked to see how insane some people will get with this stuff !!

Insane? What do you call believing in magic bullets and magic ears? lol

318 posted on 11/28/2003 11:31:23 PM PST by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
Go bark up a different tree, this squirrels already got all the nuts he can handle. LOL.
319 posted on 11/28/2003 11:46:01 PM PST by Peace will be here soon (Beware, there are some crazy people around here !!! And I could be one of them !!)
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To: Allan
bump
320 posted on 11/28/2003 11:55:16 PM PST by Allan
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