Nellie Connally Disputes Warren Commission

NewsMax.com ^ | 11/25/03 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

[kattracks]

For all the coverage generated by the 40th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination this past weekend, the media managed to miss the only genuine news to emerge from the commemoration.

Nellie Connally, wife of former Texas Gov. John Connally and the only person still alive who rode in the presidential death limousine, publicly disputed for the first time the Warren Commission's "magic bullet" theory, a scenario absolutely essential to its finding that Lee Harvey Oswald was Kennedy's lone assassin.

A year after the assassination the Commission concluded that Kennedy and Gov. Connally were both wounded by the first shot fired by Oswald from the Texas School Book Depository. A second shot missed completely. A third shot slammed into Kennedy's head and splattered his brains throughout the car.

But Mrs. Connally told CNN's Larry King that Kennedy and her husband couldn't have been struck by the same bullet, because she watched her husband react over a period of two seconds after the first shot struck the president.

"John [Connally] sitting right in front of him knew it was a shot," the former Texas first lady said. "He's a hunter and a shooter, you know. . . ."

Mrs. Connally continued:

"So he turned quick to his right and he couldn't see [Kennedy] because he was directly in front of him. And he said, 'No, no, no' and turned to his left. . . . Now this is a second or two. Then, as he whirled back, the second shot hit John . . ."

When pressed about the single bullet theory adopted by the Warren Commission, Mrs. Connally told King, "Do you think a bullet that went through the president's neck can hang there in air between the two seats while John turned to the right, turned to the left and came back?

"That's what I asked the Warren Commission," she explained. "I said, 'I don't believe a bullet could do that. That bullet -- the same bullet did not hit both of them.'"

[maggief]

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0311/22/lkl.00.html

EXCERPT

...KING: Was it a crack?

CONNALLY: Yes. And I wasn't sure that it was a gunshot because the motorcycles had been, you know, backfiring all around us. But I knew it was something and I turned and looked just in time to see his hands fly up to his face. And he just sunk down into the car. Said not a word. He just had a strange look in his eyes and said nothing.

KING: Did you know immediately?

CONNALLY: Well, I felt like then that it was -- John sitting right in front of him knew it was a shot.

KING: He did?

CONNALLY: Well, he's a hunter and a shooter, you know. So he turned quick...

KING: To his right?

CONNALLY: ... to his right and he couldn't see him because he was directly in front of him. And he said, "No, no, no" and turned to his left.

KING: He visibly said that?

CONNALLY: Yes. And turned to his left and he still couldn't see him. Now this is a second or two. Then, as he whirled back, the second shot hit John and...

KING: Where did it enter him?

CONNALLY: It went under his shoulder, out through -- under the nipple. It went through -- it took out five inches of his fifth rib and went through one of his lungs. He would -- which had all of that...

KING: I thought it hit his wrist.

CONNALLY: His -- he's turning back and his hand is on his thigh. It crushed this wrist and you know, shot the cufflink off.

KING: And you see him shot?

CONNALLY: Yes. And then it landed in his leg. Now, that bullet did all of that. John said, "My God, they're going to kill us all," and just fell over. Blood everywhere.

KING: Was there a third shot?

CONNALLY: There was a third shot.

KING: That's disputed, right?

CONNALLY: No. There's no dispute. You can't argue with me. You can argue with the Warren Commission. You can argue with anybody else, but they weren't in the car. And I was in that car. There were three shots. I have a recollection of all three. The third shot...

KING: What did the third one do?

CONNALLY: Well, I couldn't see it because I had the weight -- I had pulled John over in my lap to get him out of the line of fire. And I couldn't move. But I heard the third shot and then, bloody matter, like buck shot, little pieces were all over the interior of the car, all over our clothes.

KING: Was that Kennedy's brain?

CONNALLY: That was his head and I guess, his brain. And she said, "They've killed my husband. I have his brains in my hand."

KING: You heard her say that?

CONNALLY: I heard her say that.

KING: So you're hearing everything?

CONNALLY: Yes. But I -- but I was -- we were not saying anything. I was whispering to John, "Be still. It'll be all right."

(snip)

[Agamemnon]

She may have only heard three shots, and certainly they could have been Oswald's Had you considered the possibility that a professional hit man might have used a silencer, and that more than three shots were actually fired in this incident?

[_Jim]

Do you notice they never once say ...

I think all this JFK conspiracy stuff is just proving how deep the psychosis is in some people; the non-scientific and inexperienced types can be hand-fed anything a really devious author wishes, disregarding repeated eye and ear witness testimony, modern-technology recreations and everything, because, in their book there simply *is* a conspiracy ... THAT'S living in pure fanatasy; these same folk, no doubt, also bought into the Fox special about our 'faked' moon landing, and, if I dug further, probably think that the earth is actually flat ...

PSYCHOSIS

Psychotic disorders include severe mental disorders which are characterized by extreme impairment of a person's ability to think clearly, respond emotionally, communicate effectively, understand reality, and behave appropriately.

[aristeides]

The KGB had a practice of putting those who didn't accept the official line in mental institutions.

[texasbluebell]

Given the circumstances at the time and my belief that the WC was part of a massive cover-up, I tend to place more weight on the initial reports from the ER docs at Parkland.

Yes, I think they knew what they were looking at, but over the years with all the confusion surrounding this, some of those early witnesses to the murder and the aftermath may be faltering in their memories.

[_Jim]

Duh ... are you just finding this out?

[aristeides]

I was suggesting you talk as if you want to follow the KGB's example.

[_Jim]

This discussion has degenerated into idiocy ... I'm outa here ...

[swarthyguy]

Not to mention the leading luminaries of the psychiatric world in Germany postulating that adherence to the values of democracy, or socialism or pacifism were a mental disease in themselves as they were detrimental to the national psyche.

Psychiatrists - The Men behind Hitler
Dr. Thomas Roder, Volker Kubillus, Anthony Burwell.

According to the happy people, history happens out in the open.

Conspiracy has become such a loaded, perjorative word.

That's why I prefer to use the word Lunch instead.

[Indie]

don't see how you can conclude that - UNLESS you buy into all the conspiracy theory bullcrap ...

Why are you so vehemently in defense of your position? Your posts or way too emotional for objective thought.
The "Oswald was the only shooter theory bullcrap" that you buy into.....I made my point much earlier. You can not possibly know what really happened thanks to the obvious coverup, mishandled evidence, and altered evidence. Case closed.

[geopyg]

you said: "The Jacketed bullet that hit Kennedy in the back, 5 1/2 from his Mastoid Process[bone behind your ear lobe] one inch to the right of his spine, would have entered Connelly's back with the force of a .357 Magnum. Think about that."

I did think about it, that's why I don't think Connelly was seriously hurt yet, as he was still able to turn around to look at the President and say Oh, no,no,no.

The president's neck shot came at around Zapruder clip #226. Look at post 247 to view clip #274. (Post 247 has clip 274 ...it's a CONSPIRACY I tell ya!). Anyway - Connelly doesn't look like he's been hit by a 357 magnum - yet. Also supported by his wife's testomony. (I say the wrist/chest shot is around clip 291).

[Shooter 2.5]

Ok, let's try this again.

Kennedy get hit in the upper back with a 161 grain bullet traveling at 2000 Feet a Second which exits out his neck and it's able to hit Connelly with the force of a .357 Magnum.

[161 grain bullet/1736 FPS - 1070 energy to 158 grain bullet/1734 1054 energy

Now do you get it?

I hope you understand by now that bullets don't make one inch deep wounds in flesh unless they're a BB gun.

[chuckwalla]

Let's hear again mr. story teller how the magic bullet changed direction, waited for the 1 to 2 seconds then entered Conolly.

[PhilDragoo]

While I agree with 99% of your statements, I disagree with the notion that the throat wound was an entry wound. There has never been, to the best of my knowledge, any dispute over the belief that the throat wound was anything other than an exit wound.

Can you cite your sources or reasons for this statement? I would like to understand why you believe it to be an entry wound.

Assassination Science, ed. James H. Fetzer, Ph.D., Catsfeet/Carus, 1998, "Dr. Charles Crenshaw Replies", pp. 46-50:

Dr. Malcolm Perry

As has been shown, Perry also said three times that the throat wound had been inflicted from the front.

~~~

Dr. James Carrico

In his CE-392 statement on Friday afternoon, Carrico did not specifically call the throat wound an entrance wound, but used another similar word: "Two external wounds were noted. One small penetrating wound of mid-neck in lower 1/3." ³² Before the Warren Commission, he gave the width of the throat wound before Perry's tracheostomy as 5-8 millimeters and said it was "fairly round, had no jagged edges, no evidence of powder burns and so forth."³³

~~~

Dr. Charles Baxter

When he testified before the Warren Commission, Baxter conceded that the throat wound could have been either an entrance wound or an exit wound.³⁷ But his other statements about the wound are enlightening: "this wound was, in my estimation, 4 to 5 mm in widest diameter and was a spherical wound. . .so that it was very small."³⁸ "Judging from the caliber of the rifle that we later found or became acquainted with, this would more resemble a wound of entry."³⁹ As late as spring of 1992, Dr. Baxter, on ABC-TV's 20-20, stated that the wound he saw could have been "either an entrance wound or an exit wound."⁴⁰

~~~

Dr. Paul Peters

*WC testimony--"We saw the wound of entry in the throat and noted the large occipital wound."

~~~

Dr. Ronald Jones

*". . . a small hole in the midline of the neck thought to be a bullet entrance wound."

~~~

Ibid., page 54:

When the body left Parkland there was no gaping, bloody defect in the front of the throat, just the small bullet hole and the thin line of Perry's incision.

~~~

Ibid., page 55:

In his Warren Commission testimony, Dr. Humes stated the length as 7-8 cm. (2.8-3.2 in., app. 3 in.). Dr. Perry estimated the length of the incision he made at 2-3 cm. (.8-1.2 in., app. 1 in.) The incision Dr. Crenshaw saw at Parkland Hospital was straight and neat, nothing like the autopsy photograph shows.

~~~

Arlen Specter and Allen Dulles went to extraordinary lengths to make Dr. Malcolm Perry recant his statement regarding the nature of the throat wound.

Dr. Perry's neat incision was torn to three times its length by the time it was observed by Dr. Hume.

A small, neat round hole, a neat one-inch incision: they become a three-inch gash by the time Humes sees them.

Humes was advised by Dr. Robert Livingston to observe the entry wound in the throat before the arrival of the body--yet Humes claimed he was not so apprised until after the autopsy.

Specter and Dulles militantly enforced orthodoxy--without benefit of having seen X-rays or photos.

To the medical professional eyewitnesses, these ignorant lay persons said, "What are you going to believe, our agenda or your lying eyes?"

As for the assault on Crenshaw led by the former editor of JAMA, George Lundberg--Lundberg became the former editor when he tried unsuccessfully to publish a shabby "study" (a poll of college students) to "prove" that oral sex is not sex!

That was in 1998, when another president captured the nation's attention.

Magic Bullets and Monica Lewinsky--you can't make this stuff up.

[Fred Mertz]

I'm still reading your stuff, Phil. It's top shelf as usual.

[Shooter 2.5]

I think I and the moderators would appreciate it if you stopped your childish insults. It's one thing to label groups with tinfoil hat squad opposed to government lackeys but you're taking this too personal.

Please grow up.

[Shooter 2.5]

Dr. CARRICO. With those facts and the fact as I understand it no other bullet was found this would be, this was, I believe, was an exit wound.
Dr. PERRY. A full jacketed bullet without deformation passing through skin would leave a similar wound for an exit and entrance wound and with the facts which yon have made available and with these assumptions, I believe that it was an exit wound.

Other doctors at Parkland Hospital who observed the wound prior to the tracheotomy agreed with the observations of Drs. Perry and Carrico.

[HighWheeler]

"...the bullet had to wait in the air almost two seconds before taking off again to put all those wounds in Connaly."

I think I figured out what the bullet was doing during this 2 seconds of unexplained time. It flew over behind the grassy Knoll to kill officer Tippet.

There, we have a neat, tidy, irrefutable explanation.

[AndrewC]

This is from the other camera there at Dealey. Notice which way John Kennedy is thrown. The sequence starts with the head shot on frame 2. I used Paint Shop pro 5 to look at the individual frames.

[tpaine]

Indie wrote:

-Jim- Why are you so vehemently in defense of your position? Your posts or way too emotional for objective thought.
The "Oswald was the only shooter theory bullcrap" that you buy into.....I made my point much earlier. You can not possibly know what really happened thanks to the obvious coverup, mishandled evidence, and altered evidence. Case closed.

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I think all this JFK conspiracy stuff is just proving how deep the psychosis is in some people; the non-scientific and inexperienced types can be hand-fed anything a really devious author wishes, disregarding repeated eye and ear witness testimony, modern-technology recreations and everything, because, in their book there simply *is* a conspiracy ... THAT'S living in pure fanatasy; these same folk, no doubt, also bought into the Fox special about our 'faked' moon landing, and, if I dug further, probably think that the earth is actually flat ...

PSYCHOSIS

Psychotic disorders include severe mental disorders which are characterized by extreme impairment of a person's ability to think clearly, respond emotionally, communicate effectively, understand reality, and behave appropriately.
263 -_jim-

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As we see above, _jimbo inadvertently answered your question before you made it.

"- Psychotic disorders are characterized by extreme impairment of a person's ability to, -- 'understand reality' -- "

He, and his fellow WC theorists ~must~ believe in the offical 'Report' or their understanding of political reality crashes down around them.

They simply ~cannot~ understand that the official report was a typically bungled government cover up operation.
Indeed, - case closed.