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Gen. Franks Doubts Constitution Will Survive WMD Attack
News Max.Com ^ | 11-21-03

Posted on 11/20/2003 5:14:53 PM PST by hope

Gen. Franks Doubts Constitution Will Survive WMD Attack

John O. Edwards, NewsMax.com
Friday, Nov. 21, 2003
Gen. Tommy Franks says that if the United States is hit with a weapon of mass destruction that inflicts large casualties, the Constitution will likely be discarded in favor of a military form of government.

Franks, who successfully led the U.S. military operation to liberate Iraq, expressed his worries in an extensive interview he gave to the men’s lifestyle magazine Cigar Aficionado.

In the magazine’s December edition, the former commander of the military’s Central Command warned that if terrorists succeeded in using a weapon of mass destruction (WMD) against the U.S. or one of our allies, it would likely have catastrophic consequences for our cherished republican form of government.

Discussing the hypothetical dangers posed to the U.S. in the wake of Sept. 11, Franks said that “the worst thing that could happen” is if terrorists acquire and then use a biological, chemical or nuclear weapon that inflicts heavy casualties.

If that happens, Franks said, “... the Western world, the free world, loses what it cherishes most, and that is freedom and liberty we’ve seen for a couple of hundred years in this grand experiment that we call democracy.”

Franks then offered “in a practical sense” what he thinks would happen in the aftermath of such an attack.

“It means the potential of a weapon of mass destruction and a terrorist, massive, casualty-producing event somewhere in the Western world – it may be in the United States of America – that causes our population to question our own Constitution and to begin to militarize our country in order to avoid a repeat of another mass, casualty-producing event. Which in fact, then begins to unravel the fabric of our Constitution. Two steps, very, very important.”

Franks didn’t speculate about how soon such an event might take place.

Already, critics of the U.S. Patriot Act, rushed through Congress in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, have argued that the law aims to curtail civil liberties and sets a dangerous precedent.

But Franks’ scenario goes much further. He is the first high-ranking official to openly speculate that the Constitution could be scrapped in favor of a military form of government.

The usually camera-shy Franks retired from U.S. Central Command, known in Pentagon lingo as CentCom, in August 2003, after serving nearly four decades in the Army.

Franks earned three Purple Hearts for combat wounds and three Bronze Stars for valor. Known as a “soldier’s general,” Franks made his mark as a top commander during the U.S.’s successful Operation Desert Storm, which liberated Kuwait in 1991. He was in charge of CentCom when Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda attacked the United States on Sept. 11.

Franks said that within hours of the attacks, he was given orders to prepare to root out the Taliban in Afghanistan and to capture bin Laden.

Franks offered his assessment on a number of topics to Cigar Aficionado, including:

President Bush: “As I look at President Bush, I think he will ultimately be judged as a man of extremely high character. A very thoughtful man, not having been appraised properly by those who would say he’s not very smart. I find the contrary. I think he’s very, very bright. And I suspect that he’ll be judged as a man who led this country through a crease in history effectively. Probably we’ll think of him in years to come as an American hero.”

On the motivation for the Iraq war: Contrary to claims that top Pentagon brass opposed the invasion of Iraq, Franks said he wholeheartedly agreed with the president’s decision to invade Iraq and oust Saddam Hussein.

“I, for one, begin with intent. ... There is no question that Saddam Hussein had intent to do harm to the Western alliance and to the United States of America. That intent is confirmed in a great many of his speeches, his commentary, the words that have come out of the Iraqi regime over the last dozen or so years. So we have intent.

“If we know for sure ... that a regime has intent to do harm to this country, and if we have something beyond a reasonable doubt that this particular regime may have the wherewithal with which to execute the intent, what are our actions and orders as leaders in this country?”

The Pentagon’s deck of cards: Asked how the Pentagon decided to put its most-wanted Iraqis on a set of playing cards, Franks explained its genesis. He recalled that when his staff identified the most notorious Iraqis the U.S. wanted to capture, “it just turned out that the number happened to be about the same as a deck of cards. And so somebody said, ‘Aha, this will be the ace of spades.’”

Capturing Saddam: Franks said he was not surprised that Saddam has not been captured or killed. But he says he will eventually be found, perhaps sooner than Osama bin laden.

“The capture or killing of Saddam Hussein will be a near term thing. And I won’t say that’ll be within 19 or 43 days. ... I believe it is inevitable.”

Franks ended his interview with a less-than-optimistic note. “It’s not in the history of civilization for peace ever to reign. Never has in the history of man. ... I doubt that we’ll ever have a time when the world will actually be at peace.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: constitution; napalminthemorning; tommyfranks; wmd; wot
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To: The KG9 Kid
The military government will need to know who's got what the night they take over.

bttt

301 posted on 11/21/2003 7:42:16 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Forth now, and fear no darkness!")
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To: oceanview
It depends on the weather, wind velocity, wind direction, etc.
302 posted on 11/21/2003 8:02:53 AM PST by Rider on the Rain
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To: Grampa Dave
Thanks for the marial law history/perspective!
303 posted on 11/21/2003 9:02:45 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Well, this gives Wes Clark the emans to discredit Franks' comments about him...
304 posted on 11/21/2003 9:03:59 AM PST by ken5050
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To: Travis McGee
Well, this gives Wes Clark the means to discredit Franks' comments about him...
305 posted on 11/21/2003 9:04:12 AM PST by ken5050
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To: Destro
IMHO, the so-called militias cannot be effective for many reasons, first of all because they are totally penetrated by agents provacateurs. The serious militias would never call themselves that lightning rod term. They would call themselves a hunting club etc and conduct any training in private. Even then, the number of participants would have to be tiny, under ten I would think.
306 posted on 11/21/2003 9:05:35 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: ZULU
Franks is what-iffing a worst case scenario, factoring in human nature. Don't shoot the messanger for delivering a warning.
307 posted on 11/21/2003 9:07:32 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: hope
Well of course the Constitution would be crap canned, the fascists in this country that created FEMA made sure that would happen
308 posted on 11/21/2003 9:08:21 AM PST by richtig_faust
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To: ken5050
No! See my last comment to ZULU.
309 posted on 11/21/2003 9:08:27 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
# please?..it's a LOOOOONG thread
310 posted on 11/21/2003 9:11:23 AM PST by ken5050
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To: meadsjn
Slogans and idealisms seldom reflect reality. Liberty and Freedom does not spontaneously arise from anarchy and chaos.
It takes strong leadership and an iron hand to stabilize a chaotic country. Take a look at Iraq, do you think that if we hand them a copy of the US constitution and tell them to practice it, and immediately take our military out, that liberty and freedom will spontaneously take hold in that chaotic country? I don't think many on this thread will take a bet on it. I can't live long in any place where my Freedom and Liberty are infringed, but I'm also a realists.
I agree with General Franks, though I fear the consequences.
I pray that, whoever takes power will have the idealism and sense of self sacrifice as George Washington.
311 posted on 11/21/2003 9:15:18 AM PST by desertcry
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To: small voice in the wilderness
Don't be so quick to exonerate an entire Administration just because Bush himself may be OK. I do battle against Justice Department lawyers under Bush every day, and they pull same crap to beat up helpless citizens that they did under Clinton.
312 posted on 11/21/2003 9:15:54 AM PST by Iconoclast2
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To: Iconoclast2
Roger that.
313 posted on 11/21/2003 9:20:32 AM PST by txhurl (W will get to them eventually in his second term.)
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To: ken5050
Here it is: Franks is what-iffing a worst case scenario, factoring in human nature. Don't shoot the messanger for delivering a warning.
314 posted on 11/21/2003 9:21:57 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Agree..but, still, IMHO it'll be easy for Clark to smear Franks now, as a wacko..in fact, becuase its necessary for Clark to get out in front of this story..remember Shelton's comments..I'll bet that he says something nasty about Tommy..real soon
315 posted on 11/21/2003 9:23:36 AM PST by ken5050
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To: Calamari
One big difference,...entire world was on a war footing for over 4 years.

IMHO, Gen Franks may want to board a commercial plane and fly from one coast to another and consider just exactly how many people exist out there today without any affiliation with the military.

One WMD won't change all modus operendi for all people.

If it did, then the US military failed miserably in their entire professional lives to defend the Constitution.
316 posted on 11/21/2003 9:30:33 AM PST by Cvengr (0:^))
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To: lawdude
If true he said this, he should be removed immediately.

OK, #1 He's retired, where are we going to remove him from?
#2, he said this as a warning, something he fears, not something he supports or looks forward to.
#3 Perhaps you should read he article before commenting.

317 posted on 11/21/2003 9:30:35 AM PST by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: ken5050
I think Schwartzkopf and Powell would be right there to vaporize Clark if he steps over any lines.
318 posted on 11/21/2003 9:35:46 AM PST by txhurl
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To: ken5050
I disagree. Franks can swat this away like a fly. There's no upside in Clark running with this story. Generals are paid to what-if worst case scnenarios.
319 posted on 11/21/2003 9:39:47 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Constitutional Patriot
How would armed Americans handle a chemical or biological attack on the US?
320 posted on 11/21/2003 9:41:05 AM PST by halfdome
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