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Zbigniew Brzezinski
Ashbrook Update | 11-20-03 | Peter Schramm

Posted on 11/20/2003 2:52:13 PM PST by FlyLow

Zbigniew Brzezinski, Jimmy Carter’s National Security Advisor, writes a lengthy op-ed in the International Herald Tribune (originally given as a talk to a group of Democrats) outlining what he thinks the problem is with American foreign policy.

I think I would prefer to read into Lincoln some more rather than respond at length to Zbig, but I will say this: The shape of the Democratic foreign policy mode is beginning to take shape. It goes something like this: The Republicans are articulating a "paranoiac view of the world." They are not interested in making friends, they would rather make war on anyone for the flimsiest reasons; they are overthrowing old alliances; they are only interested in making war on terrorism (which he finds hard to define and understand); this is an extremist vision of the United States, and we are, so this view goes, apparently interested in overthrowing our idealistic traditions. Oh yeah, and one more thing: we don’t understand what is going on abroad. O.K., I’m beginning to get it. Does this begin to sound familiar, this disposition? Look up some of the stories from the late 1970’s, with Carter’s so called human rights policy in full throttle, our inordinate fear of communism, etc., and see how it compares. At least back then, it could be argued, the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan may have had an effect on Carter. Did 9/11 have any effect on the Democrats?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: brzezinski; democrats; republicans

1 posted on 11/20/2003 2:52:13 PM PST by FlyLow
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To: FlyLow
Zbigniew Brzezinski

Gesundheit.

2 posted on 11/20/2003 3:01:53 PM PST by rickmichaels (God bless America, land that I love)
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To: FlyLow
Would this be the same Zbig-- Zb-- guy who said,

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

A: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html

3 posted on 11/20/2003 3:03:07 PM PST by brbethke
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To: FlyLow
Never trusted Zbigniew Brzezinski

Still don't trust Jimmy Carter

4 posted on 11/20/2003 3:05:24 PM PST by TrueBeliever9
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To: FlyLow
They are not interested in making friends, they would rather make war on anyone for the flimsiest reasons;

Yeah, we're just dogs of war unleashed, ain't we? I can't imagine what our beef was with Afghanistan. They only housed the Taliban that killed 3,000 of our citizens. And Iraq? Good heavens, they're only butchers, imperialist aggressors, and nuclear tinkers. How could anybody want to fight THEM????

they are overthrowing old alliances;

Only the ones that no longer serve any purpose. Besides, an occasional housecleaning is good for the soul.

they are only interested in making war on terrorism

Yeah, imagine that!

(which he finds hard to define and understand);

Of that I have no doubt.

we are, so this view goes, apparently interested in overthrowing our idealistic traditions.

Like those ideals of freedom, security, liberty, sovereignty, independence, strength, integrity, ...

Oh yeah, and one more thing: we don’t understand what is going on abroad.

On this point, I agree wholeheartedly. The difference between me and the Zbig man are that I don't give a damn.

5 posted on 11/20/2003 3:05:30 PM PST by IronJack
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To: FlyLow
we are, so this view goes, apparently interested in overthrowing our idealistic traditions.

The idealistic "traditions" instituted by King Franklin (Roosevelt) the First are not the idealistic traditions of America's founding fathers.

America's founding involved a nation of rugged men and women that fiercely fought for independnce and freedom.

Individualism and individual freedom are America's founding ideals, not collectivism and servitude for all.

6 posted on 11/20/2003 3:06:34 PM PST by thinktwice ("The sovereignty of myself over myself is called Liberty." -- Les Miserables, pp pg 1190)
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To: FlyLow
Can anyone name an issue of foreign policy that ZB has not carefully placed himself on both sides of, and then, when pressed, jumped to the side least favorable to our national interests?
7 posted on 11/20/2003 3:15:11 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: thinktwice
Individualism and individual freedom are America's founding ideals, not collectivism and servitude for all.


I like that.
8 posted on 11/20/2003 3:15:56 PM PST by At _War_With_Liberals
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To: FlyLow
Total bs.
9 posted on 11/20/2003 3:16:30 PM PST by freekitty
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To: FlyLow
By Zigs logic, the ongoing train of islamofascist attacks against the US [beginning with the 1st attack on the WTC just after the beginning of the quisling Arkietrash regime in 93] does not warrant a systematic response with force. We should not try to kill islamofascist terrorists, we should blather with them and play back Warren [Bunny] Christopher speeches about how to do business with failed islamic countries [underwritten by the US taxpayer, of course]. Zig is really a sorry case, guaranteed to be on the wrong side of every contest, always against his adopted country. The moral is, these anti American lefties never change their spots. And to a man they are livid about Bush's foreign policy, because it will succeed and very possibly preempt the Foggy Bottom/CFR/UN approach to business for some time to come.
10 posted on 11/20/2003 3:19:47 PM PST by Bedford Forrest (Roger, Contact, Judy, Out. Fox One. Splash one.<I>)
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To: FlyLow
Zbiggy couldn't wait to bomb Belgrade.
11 posted on 11/20/2003 3:26:18 PM PST by Anthem (Voting is one thing... but culture trumps any campaign. What are you doing for the culture?)
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To: FlyLow
Actually, in his book (the name escapes me right now) he wrote about 15 years ago, he specifically pointed out that the US had to install a puppet government in Afganistan......going on and on about the gas / oil pipeline needed and the strategic importance of it all. Now we see our boy Karzaid (sp?) board member of Unical in there as President. Pretty cool, hugh?

Rather prophetic, wouldn't you say?
12 posted on 11/20/2003 3:27:52 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: FlyLow
When jimmy hired him he must have figured " Why settle for a democrat when I can get a real commie?"
13 posted on 11/20/2003 3:28:55 PM PST by jmaroneps37 ( Please support how-odd? dean in the primaries. That just might get us 4 more senate seats!)
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To: Anthem
Zbiggy hates Israel so it's all part of piece. A leftist one.
14 posted on 11/20/2003 3:31:14 PM PST by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: FlyLow
Where's the woodwork that these cockroaches appear? Seal that woodwork, please!
15 posted on 11/20/2003 3:47:04 PM PST by lilylangtree
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To: FlyLow
ZB reminds me of Robert McNamara

Self-assured, convincing and full of BS.

16 posted on 11/20/2003 4:02:06 PM PST by Vinnie
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