Posted on 11/18/2003 7:28:05 AM PST by Always Right
Now that the Mass. Supreme Court has acted to force the legislature to adopt gay marriage, the time is now for Republicans to act to save this most basic institution of this country. We need a US Constitutional Amendment to save us from activist courts who assult religion and basic family values. The public will be outraged over this and the GOP must capitolize on it. The GOP must put the Democrats in a bind. Oppose the Amendment and lose their base, or support it and expose themselves as the radicals they are.
Now is the time to act. Put this issue at the forefront for the next election. Don't just make it an issue, make it a real topic with real Amendments that are gonna be passed.
Homosexuals are self defeating. That's why they've chosen their death path. It's to hurt themselves. It's like people who cut themselves with razor blades, but slower.
They die from S&M, drug overdoses, various infections and plagues.
You really should get your kids help. They don't have long. They' ve signed their death warrents, but you've blinded youself to the potential consequences. It's to rationalize your lack of mothering ability. It's all about you that you support their vileness, not them. You're pretending your a good mother, but you've killed your children instead.
What power did it usurp?
The local people and their representatives have been overturned by an activist court.
It was a decision about state constitutionality. They need to go back and rectify a poorly written law.
Unless we start fighting with every weapon we have, we will lose this country.
A tad over the top.
We agree. There is one more thing govt could do though - it could go full force and destroy traditional marriage entirely by putting other forms of cohabitation on the same legal plane. That's what 'gay marriage' does. The coup de grace.
Government has a role in the civil law, deciding matters of property, child custody, and the like. These matters are dealt with in the civil court outside of marriage already. Why should a government definition of marriage be required to determine deposition of joint property or what is in the best interests of a child? Your question itself refutes your claim that this is outside of marriage. "joint property" makes not a whit of sense outside the context of the legal definition of the marriage contract. Court involvement *defines* marriage in a legal sense when it rules on custody, property, whether wifes are responsible for a husbands tax evasion, etc.
Marriage is a sacred covenant. If one is religious, it is a promise made to God. For those who are not, it is at minimum a promise made to the spouse, and to any subsequent children. What can government add to that? Yes marriage is sacred and a covenant. What government can add to that is protecting those promises made to God as promises made to other humans as well. This is not much different than other contract law in a sense, but of greater import to our civilization.
Government insinuation into the institution of marriage can only lead to mayhem. Government will not limit access to divorce, so divorce becomes the norm. This again is self-refuting. Divorce is a *legal process*. Govt defines when and how divorce can happen and rights under it!
Most people who get a civil divorce consider themselves divorces, with nary a thought to the solemn promises made to each other and to God. The government has said they are divorced, so that's all there is to it. A judge has replaced morality. Of course but you missed the obvious. The Judge has replaced morality because the Judge is defining "right" and "wrong". So why let the Judge define "right" and "wrong" in ways at total variance with the real right and wrong? Why not make it harder to get divorces than to break a car lease? Why not insist that if a woman initiates a no-fault divorce the man keeps custody? Its an absurdity to throw up your hands and say "oh just keep the government out of it", it is and will be hip-deep in these matters anyway.
Government displaces. It does not coexist. Gays have been getting married for the last fifty years, but it is the governmental sanction of those marriages that will elevate them to equal stature in the eyes of society. Yes, I made that exact point! This is not about "allowing" gays to cohabitate or even to call themselves married or 'partners' etc. They can do that today. This is about giving them co-equal rights with traditional marriage partners in the family courts. It means possibly that a divorced couple where one woman runs off with a lesbian partner, the judge will give as much weight and 'right' to that lesbian couple to have custody as the father himself.
the real tragedy is that the courts have usurped the democratic power of people to decide these matters, so errors and injustices wont be easily corrected.
People will do stupid things always. People will make poor choices and a compassionate society will always pick up the pieces. It is beyond the power of government to prevent people from doing so. The destruction that results when government tries far outwieghs any benefit derived. This is why you need George Will's book. It's a counterweight to the libertarian myth of government non-involvement in matters of human habits and behavior. It is *not* true that it is beyond the power of Government to influence behavior. WHATEVER Government does shapes our culture, shapes our habits, shapes our ideas and actions. Government can influence more or less marriages, divorces, out-of-wedlock births, child abuse, pedophilia, and a host of things. The state can act in ways that improve our habits - this creates fewer messes so there is LESS PROBLEMS for Government to fix. For example, our welfare reform in 1996 encouaged more marriage - well, children are more likely to succeed when in married households vs being in single-parent households. This reform is the exact opposite of what you propose, since it is "meddling in marriage", but the good benefits of it are fewer criminals and juvenile delinquents down the road and LESS WELFARE DEPENDENCY today.
So we end where we started. We agree that Government has attacked traditional institutions and undermined them in the courts, the law, and culture. The proposed 'hands off' solution though is neither realistic nor practical. There is the possibility of reforming Govt to support, not undermine, traditional institutions by patiently working through the laws and fixing the errors of judges and lawmakers. Supporting working institutions like traditional marriage DOES WORK and is a vital part of staving off Socialism and keeping Goverment limited.
Yippie!!!!! Where was/is their father?
Wether you believe it or not gays are just plain born gay.
Regardless of whether YOU believe it or not, most gays are NOT "just plain born gay".
Yes, I know. They aren't normal. They aren't healthy people - physically, mentally, spiritually ill.
It's part of the Socialist manifesto to destroy America from within. The gays don't even know that if America does become socialist, they're one of the first to be eliminated. Right now, they're being used as useful idiots for the cause.
The only problem is that they're trying to bring the innocent down into their pits of hell with them because of their own self absorbtion of misery and dispare. They want everyone else to suffer with them.
DU has a lot of threads about having sex with cats. That's their mindset.
Sorry, but you're wrong. You cannot remove a cornerstone of civilized society w/o endangering the entire ediface. The cracks have long been there, as piece by piece we jettison our traditions for "feel good' hedonism.
This latest move however is of a type and of an importance never contemplated by any society in history.
This is a sad day for western civilization--and it will effect your family.
We're just grossed out right now, along with the rest of the nation. LOL. When everyone is done puking over the abomination, they'll get angry. This will be over by the end of the month. No one likes queers. They usually look the other way, but this time the queers are in their face. No one likes the smell of bile.
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